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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

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    Uncut: Palin: 'The Fire in the Belly Is Still Raging' | On Air Videos | Fox News

    The total projected drop in oil production in the gulf between 2010 and 2012 is 320,000 barrels per day. At projected 2012 prices ($108.12 per barrel), that comes to $34.6 million a day.

    Pulled that part from Politicofact. It's basic math but this was a few years ago. Obviously the "cost per day" is a lot less with oil being $45~ barrel
    OK, so I think you are saying she got her math wrong, or perhaps was operating with incorrect information or bad assumptions which made her math wrong.
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    OK, so I think you are saying she got her math wrong, or perhaps was operating with incorrect information or bad assumptions which made her math wrong.
    No, I'm saying she lied, not only was her math completely wrong but she repeated it several times on different days.

    If that doesn't make it a lie then I don't know what you consider one. We can just agree to disagree on her "trustworthiness".
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    No, I'm saying she lied, not only was her math completely wrong but she repeated it several times on different days.

    If that doesn't make it a lie then I don't know what you consider one. We can just agree to disagree on her "trustworthiness".
    There's a difference between incorrect information and maliciously lying for personal or political gain.

    Do politicians, as well as everyone else, get their facts wrong on occasion? Sure. However, that's not at all like claiming to want the convenience of a one device before the public, all the time known that you are carrying around several devices, in other words malicious intent to deceive.

    We could look at the whole uproar about 'death panels' for example.

    Some would call this a lie on Palin's part, but if you go and read the legislation, which has no section on death panels per say, but does have a section specific to the Independent Payment Advisory Board who's purpose is to "achieving specified savings in Medicare". Now granted, it's supposed to happen without impacting coverage or quality, but one needs to ask if that's realistic or not. How much cost savings can be had before coverage or quality is impacted. We have yet to see.

    Lie or exaggeration? Hyperbole to make a political point? I recall that around the same time there was a Democratically led talking point about the Republicans wanting to drive grandma and her wheelchair off of the cliff, which of course they never said. Lie or exaggeration? Hyperbole to make a political point? Or just to score some points?

    Somewhere someone is making decisions if continued supportive care is warranted for a terminally comatose patient, as I'm sure they are now. To my thinking the attending and the family need to struggle with this decision, not some bureaucrat. With the law it is, I'm not so certain that this isn't going to creep in someplace, but we can hope that it doesn't.
    Nancy Pelosi said: “We have to pass it, to find out what’s in it.” A Doctor called to a radio show & said: "That's the definition of a stool sample"
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.

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    MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What I want to know is who are the 23% that answered that they would vote for her? These have to be some of the absolute dumbest lemmings on the planet.
    If it wasn't a poll stunt, I would expect about 30-40% to back down on their negative vote and vote for her. When push comes to shove, you're going to be fighting over a 10% popular vote difference just about every election.

    Always expect a 45-49% vote for the losing candidate.
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What I want to know is who are the 23% that answered that they would vote for her? These have to be some of the absolute dumbest lemmings on the planet.
    Probably not the same people who don't know that 100 minus 87 is 13, not 23.
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    There's a difference between incorrect information and maliciously lying for personal or political gain.

    Do politicians, as well as everyone else, get their facts wrong on occasion? Sure. However, that's not at all like claiming to want the convenience of a one device before the public, all the time known that you are carrying around several devices, in other words malicious intent to deceive.

    We could look at the whole uproar about 'death panels' for example.

    Some would call this a lie on Palin's part, but if you go and read the legislation, which has no section on death panels per say, but does have a section specific to the Independent Payment Advisory Board who's purpose is to "achieving specified savings in Medicare". Now granted, it's supposed to happen without impacting coverage or quality, but one needs to ask if that's realistic or not. How much cost savings can be had before coverage or quality is impacted. We have yet to see.

    Lie or exaggeration? Hyperbole to make a political point? I recall that around the same time there was a Democratically led talking point about the Republicans wanting to drive grandma and her wheelchair off of the cliff, which of course they never said. Lie or exaggeration? Hyperbole to make a political point? Or just to score some points?

    Somewhere someone is making decisions if continued supportive care is warranted for a terminally comatose patient, as I'm sure they are now. To my thinking the attending and the family need to struggle with this decision, not some bureaucrat. With the law it is, I'm not so certain that this isn't going to creep in someplace, but we can hope that it doesn't.
    If you are going to take one person to task for what you call lying and then ignore it for another. I'm all for calling politicians to task for their hyperbole, but to point out one person and ignore or make excuses for another is just silly.

    Especially when it is mentioned that they are "more trustworthy" than another.
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I've never seen a shred of integrity or honesty out of either of them. Palin's just as full of **** as Hillary is.
    Is Palin seeking the job of president of the United States?

    I know that six years ago she was a vice presidential candidate, but she hasn't been in public life since.

    Why would you use her as a comparison instead of Fiona or one of the many, many women candidates the Democrats are putting up?
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicci View Post
    Err.. Palin was honest? Thats like saying Bachmann knew what facts were.
    One was a candidate six years ago and has returned to private life and has no control over any public money or policies. The other is seeking the office of president of the United states. The more honest comparison on lying candidates for president would be others now in the race, not a figure from history who happens to be the go-to whipping mat whenever a democrat says something stupid.

    Six years and any given day on any forum you are likely to come across a thread about how stupid or dishonest she is.


    The issue before the American people is who can be trusted with the top job and who is the subject of this thread. I would like to make the comparison away from a gender bias, which the whole debate about Hillary has become, and say we compare Hillary's many lies to say Jeb Bush. Has he ever made up a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia? Has he ever defied the aw and had a private email server?

    Sarah Palin is "old news" it was six years ago we can stop playing distract the thread by mentioning Palin.
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    Re: MSNBC's Poll -- Will you vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Probably not the same people who don't know that 100 minus 87 is 13, not 23.
    ooops...I thought it was 77%...There do you feel superior now? I'm happy for your internet win....

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