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    White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Tuesday, April 14, 2015

    WASHINGTON — Bowing to pressure from Republicans and his own party, President Barack Obama on Tuesday relented to a compromise empowering Congress to reject the emerging nuclear pact with Iran. The rare and reluctant agreement between the president and the Republican-led Congress came after the White House maintained for weeks that congressional interference could jeopardize sensitive negotiations with Tehran. But lawmakers refused to back down from their insistence that Congress have a formal role in what could be a historic nuclear weapons deal.

    The Senate Foreign Relations Committee unanimously approved the compromise bill shortly after White House spokesman Josh Earnest conveyed the president's decision to sign it. The bill, which cleared the committee 19-0, is now likely to clear both houses of Congress. It's expected to come before the full Senate as soon as next week.

    Obama retains his right to veto any attempt by Congress to scuttle such a pact if the time comes. To override a veto would require a two-thirds majority of both the House and Senate, meaning some Democrats would have to oppose their president to sink a deal. The White House's announcement came after an intensive administration effort to prevent Democrats from signing on to legislation requiring Obama to submit any pact with Iran to Congress. Under the terms of the bill, if a nuclear deal is submitted after July 9 — a short time after the final agreement is to be reached — the review period would revert to 60 days. The president would be required to certify to Congress every 90 days that Iran is complying with terms of the agreement.
    Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

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    Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.
    I could not believe that the President would even think he should try an Executive Agreement. This is of vital strategic importance on a level of the Kyoto Protocol. Thinking he should be able to make a legally binding commitment was very odd. That is why I did not understand, why he did not bind in the Senators from a much earlier stage on.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

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    Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.
    The problem with such "Sole Executive Agreement" is that it is only guaranteed to apply only while that current President is in office. Any President elected afterwards is free to negotiate a change or even nullify the previous Presidents negotiations. The only way that Obama could have made this deal actually be guaranteed to stick was to get Congresses approval. By getting that approval any President elected afterwards has to go through Congress to get it changed or nullified. Considering that Obama has less than 2 years left in Office he would have had to have been the STUPIDEST President to ever reside in Office if he hadn't gone for Congressional approval. At least not if he wants this deal to actually last. And getting something approved on Capitol Hill is far easier than getting rid of something.

    Now I just hope that our politicians will actually do what is RIGHT for this country and not play the party line bullcrap on this deal.

    Edit Note: Also considering what Iran is wanting (lifting of all sanctions) he would have had to have gone through Congress anyways in order to remove the sanctions that Congress has put in to effect. He cannot simply nullify those on his own and expect to keep them nullified. Particularly since Congress is in control of what we export and to where we export to.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I could not believe that the President would even think he should try an Executive Agreement. This is of vital strategic importance on a level of the Kyoto Protocol. Thinking he should be able to make a legally binding commitment was very odd. That is why I did not understand, why he did not bind in the Senators from a much earlier stage on.
    The less oversight, the greater the odds of a deal. Put a different way ... a stacked deck that Iran can exploit. This deal is too important to allow Obama to be the sole and final arbiter.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The problem with such "Sole Executive Agreement" is that it is only guaranteed to apply only while that current President is in office.
    While this is technically true, history shows us that succeeding presidents rarely nullify such historic agreements. Doing so could weaken any SEA they themselves may contemplate or follow through on.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I could not believe that the President would even think he should try an Executive Agreement. This is of vital strategic importance on a level of the Kyoto Protocol. Thinking he should be able to make a legally binding commitment was very odd. That is why I did not understand, why he did not bind in the Senators from a much earlier stage on.
    But he does think this way.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.
    What makes you think that Congress is any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch?

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That is why I did not understand, why he did not bind in the Senators from a much earlier stage on.
    Because there would've been a partisan push to make it fail, or to stop negotiations from the start. By waiting until senators asked to be included, he's made the success of the treaty tie into the senators pride. It's quite well played on his part.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    While this is technically true, history shows us that succeeding presidents rarely nullify such historic agreements. Doing so could weaken any SEA they themselves may contemplate or follow through on.
    Would you really put it past a Republican President to not nullify it? I don't have that much confidence in either party.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What makes you think that Congress is any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch?
    Why have a congress at all? Lets just have a supreme ruler like Iran does. That will make everything so much easier.

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