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White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

any treaty has to be ratified by congress. that is in the constitutional Obama cannot sign a treaty without congressional approval no matter what he thinks.
his executive agreement is about as worthless as the paper he signed.
What Obama is negotiating with Iran is not a treaty ... it is a Sole Executive Agreement. A SEA is not considered a treaty under US law.
 
Simpleχity;1064529982 said:
White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal


Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.
Anytime Isreal doesnt approve, the US government will bow down to it and please them however it can... :roll:
 
Simpleχity;1064533832 said:
What Obama is negotiating with Iran is not a treaty ... it is a Sole Executive Agreement. A SEA is not considered a treaty under US law.

which is meaningless.
 
People like Boehner are stupid fools who don't have the ability to understand what is in U.S. interests. People like this are more interested in lining their pockets, than in doing what is best for the U.S. It is moronic to think that they will add any value to this process.
 
which is meaningless.
If Obama's SEA was truly meaningless vis-s-vis Iran as you claim, Congress wouldn't be voting this week on the oversight proposal by Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee.
 
Simpleχity;1064533821 said:
It would only be binding if adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter and in accordance with Article 25 of the UN Charter. Much would also depend on the specific language of the resolution.

A US presidential Sole Executive Agreement is considered a legal treaty under international law, but it is not considered a legal treaty under US law.

Right. So I didn't speak to SEA. It could be passed as binding at the UN, that's the point, though I have no idea that Obama intends that as a back-up.
 
People like Boehner are stupid fools who don't have the ability to understand what is in U.S. interests. People like this are more interested in lining their pockets, than in doing what is best for the U.S. It is moronic to think that they will add any value to this process.

They want in it to kill it. Although, I don't believe it would make them too popular with the rest of P5.
 
What makes you think that Congress is any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch?

Lets get real.

The President is now letting the Congress in on this Iran deal because its been a circus from the start.

Kerry and Obama got caught in a lie and now it looks like the Iranians aren't going to allow monitoring of their Military sites.

Obama is simply going to blame Congress now when this thing crashes and burns and his low information supporters are going to agree with him.
 
They want in it to kill it. Although, I don't believe it would make them too popular with the rest of P5.


Lol !

Its already dead. Obama wants them in so he can blame them for his incompetence and lies when this whole thing crashes and burns.
 
Simpleχity;1064530002 said:
The less oversight, the greater the odds of a deal. Put a different way ... a stacked deck that Iran can exploit. This deal is too important to allow Obama to be the sole and final arbiter.

Important in what way? Iran is going to have its nukes regardless of any agreements. The question is simply will they have them with a stronger economy or not? Why does that matter?
 
Important in what way? Iran is going to have its nukes regardless of any agreements. The question is simply will they have them with a stronger economy or not? Why does that matter?

I don't think Iran will get to that point.

Israel, as they should will eventually act in their best interest and strike Iran Militarily.
 
I don't think Iran will get to that point.

Israel, as they should will eventually act in their best interest and strike Iran Militarily.

You think that after decades of work, billions of dollars in expenditure and secret underground facilities, the Iranians will stop their progress toward a bomb because Israel bombs them? I sure don't.
 
You think that after decades of work, billions of dollars in expenditure and secret underground facilities, the Iranians will stop their progress toward a bomb because Israel bombs them? I sure don't.

Exactly...also...Russia has decided to send Iran anti-air systems that were ordered in 2012 which could make bombing a facility much more difficult.

It just shows that sanctions internationally are not exactly something that be guaranteed to go on forever with no end in sight.
 
You think that after decades of work, billions of dollars in expenditure and secret underground facilities, the Iranians will stop their progress toward a bomb because Israel bombs them? I sure don't.

Without infrastructure they cannot build a weapon.

Yes, I believe Israel will take out their Nuke sites.
 
They want in it to kill it. Although, I don't believe it would make them too popular with the rest of P5.

They are partly motivated for political reasons and are putting on a show. Over and above that, they are under the influence of one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington.
 
Lets get real.

The President is now letting the Congress in on this Iran deal because its been a circus from the start.

Kerry and Obama got caught in a lie and now it looks like the Iranians aren't going to allow monitoring of their Military sites.

Obama is simply going to blame Congress now when this thing crashes and burns and his low information supporters are going to agree with him.

The reality is that the morons in Congress are not more capable of judging whether a deal with Iran is in the best interests of the United States than the executive branch. It would be different if they demonstrate by their behavior an ability to rise above the petty partisan bickering that has stifled government in recent years. To the contrary, such morons have demonstrated that they are willing to go to such lengths as shutting down the government in a childish display of ignorance for the sake of political gain. They are no more than fools and rascals who are concerned with their own self interest more than that of the interests of the country.
 
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