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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It would only be binding if adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter and in accordance with Article 25 of the UN Charter. Much would also depend on the specific language of the resolution.

    A US presidential Sole Executive Agreement is considered a legal treaty under international law, but it is not considered a legal treaty under US law.
    Right. So I didn't speak to SEA. It could be passed as binding at the UN, that's the point, though I have no idea that Obama intends that as a back-up.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    People like Boehner are stupid fools who don't have the ability to understand what is in U.S. interests. People like this are more interested in lining their pockets, than in doing what is best for the U.S. It is moronic to think that they will add any value to this process.
    They want in it to kill it. Although, I don't believe it would make them too popular with the rest of P5.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What makes you think that Congress is any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch?
    Lets get real.

    The President is now letting the Congress in on this Iran deal because its been a circus from the start.

    Kerry and Obama got caught in a lie and now it looks like the Iranians aren't going to allow monitoring of their Military sites.

    Obama is simply going to blame Congress now when this thing crashes and burns and his low information supporters are going to agree with him.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They want in it to kill it. Although, I don't believe it would make them too popular with the rest of P5.

    Lol !

    Its already dead. Obama wants them in so he can blame them for his incompetence and lies when this whole thing crashes and burns.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The less oversight, the greater the odds of a deal. Put a different way ... a stacked deck that Iran can exploit. This deal is too important to allow Obama to be the sole and final arbiter.
    Important in what way? Iran is going to have its nukes regardless of any agreements. The question is simply will they have them with a stronger economy or not? Why does that matter?

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Important in what way? Iran is going to have its nukes regardless of any agreements. The question is simply will they have them with a stronger economy or not? Why does that matter?
    I don't think Iran will get to that point.

    Israel, as they should will eventually act in their best interest and strike Iran Militarily.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

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    I don't think Iran will get to that point.

    Israel, as they should will eventually act in their best interest and strike Iran Militarily.
    You think that after decades of work, billions of dollars in expenditure and secret underground facilities, the Iranians will stop their progress toward a bomb because Israel bombs them? I sure don't.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    You think that after decades of work, billions of dollars in expenditure and secret underground facilities, the Iranians will stop their progress toward a bomb because Israel bombs them? I sure don't.
    Exactly...also...Russia has decided to send Iran anti-air systems that were ordered in 2012 which could make bombing a facility much more difficult.

    It just shows that sanctions internationally are not exactly something that be guaranteed to go on forever with no end in sight.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    You think that after decades of work, billions of dollars in expenditure and secret underground facilities, the Iranians will stop their progress toward a bomb because Israel bombs them? I sure don't.
    Without infrastructure they cannot build a weapon.

    Yes, I believe Israel will take out their Nuke sites.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They want in it to kill it. Although, I don't believe it would make them too popular with the rest of P5.
    They are partly motivated for political reasons and are putting on a show. Over and above that, they are under the influence of one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington.

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