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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because there would've been a partisan push to make it fail, or to stop negotiations from the start. By waiting until senators asked to be included, he's made the success of the treaty tie into the senators pride. It's quite well played on his part.
    Err.... no. By insisting that he didn't need no stinking authorization, he provoked a rebellion among his own party. Even Chuck Schumer (likely next Democrat leader in the Senate) was in the opposition on that one. It's played disastrously on his part.
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Shared governance is a good thing. But the founders did intend for the President to be in charge of implementing foreign policy. It is not good to put up obstacles to the President's foreign policy initiatives simply for the sake of political gain.
    What about that pesky little constitutional detail of advice and consent of the Senate when making legal treaties?
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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    If the P5 passed a UNSCR, this would be binding.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If the P5 passed a UNSCR, this would be binding.
    It would only be binding if adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter and in accordance with Article 25 of the UN Charter. Much would also depend on the specific language of the resolution.

    A US presidential Sole Executive Agreement is considered a legal treaty under international law, but it is not considered a legal treaty under US law.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
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    Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.
    any treaty has to be ratified by congress. that is in the constitutional Obama cannot sign a treaty without congressional approval no matter what he thinks.
    his executive agreement is about as worthless as the paper he signed.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    any treaty has to be ratified by congress. that is in the constitutional Obama cannot sign a treaty without congressional approval no matter what he thinks.
    his executive agreement is about as worthless as the paper he signed.
    What Obama is negotiating with Iran is not a treaty ... it is a Sole Executive Agreement. A SEA is not considered a treaty under US law.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal


    Although Obama is negotiating with Iran via a "Sole Executive Agreement" which bypasses Congress, I believe this issue is too important to totally exclude Congress. There simply must exist checks and balances to ensure that any nuclear deal with Iran is extremely robust and that compliance is exceedingly verifiable.
    Anytime Isreal doesnt approve, the US government will bow down to it and please them however it can...

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    What Obama is negotiating with Iran is not a treaty ... it is a Sole Executive Agreement. A SEA is not considered a treaty under US law.
    which is meaningless.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    People like Boehner are stupid fools who don't have the ability to understand what is in U.S. interests. People like this are more interested in lining their pockets, than in doing what is best for the U.S. It is moronic to think that they will add any value to this process.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    which is meaningless.
    If Obama's SEA was truly meaningless vis-s-vis Iran as you claim, Congress wouldn't be voting this week on the oversight proposal by Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee.

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