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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Would you really put it past a Republican President to not nullify it? I don't have that much confidence in either party.
    Succeeding presidents never annulled historic agreements such as Potsdam, Yalta, etc. But I agree, anything is possible with the neverending beltway animosities.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why have a congress at all? Lets just have a supreme ruler like Iran does. That will make everything so much easier.
    No, that is not what I am saying. I am asking why would Congress be any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No, that is not what I am saying. I am asking why would Congress be any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch.
    Because it is hoped that Congress will ask the politically inconvenient questions that a legacy-seeking Obama White House may not ask.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Because it is hoped that Congress will ask the politically inconvenient questions that a legacy-seeking Obama White House may not ask.
    You have assumed that Obama is primarily motivated by his legacy and not by what is good for the United States. That is one thing. The next problem is that you have assumed that Congress is more motivated to get a legitimate deal than the President, and is not under the influence of elements who do not necessarily have the best interests of the U.S. in mind, but are rather seeking to promote their interests, regardless of what effects that might have on U.S. foreign policy.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No, that is not what I am saying. I am asking why would Congress be any more capable of ensuring that the deal is credible than the executive branch.
    It's not which branch is more capable; it's about shared governance as the Founders intended. Just reading "White House agrees to give Congress a say" in the thread-head ticks me off.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It's not which branch is more capable; it's about shared governance as the Founders intended. Just reading "White House agrees to give Congress a say" in the thread-head ticks me off.
    Shared governance is a good thing. But the founders did intend for the President to be in charge of implementing foreign policy. It is not good to put up obstacles to the President's foreign policy initiatives simply for the sake of political gain.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    But he does think this way.
    He has certainly put in a strong argument for the warped mind theorem alright.

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because there would've been a partisan push to make it fail, or to stop negotiations from the start. By waiting until senators asked to be included, he's made the success of the treaty tie into the senators pride. It's quite well played on his part.
    True, it would have been more difficult with a few important Senators being brought in. But he knew what had happened to the Kyoto Protocol and must have realized that this was as touchy as the other. A Republican like McCain could swing a lonely ride on the Iran issue, because he would be beyond suspicion. But a Democrat like Obama? After all his foreign policy red lines, disasters and defeats?

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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal


    This changes nothing at all. The deal will still be signed by 0bama or stamped with his Imperial Seal and then the Senate will decide - as they would have in any case - whether or not to lift the sanctions but the rest of the world will have lifted the sanctions while the Senate is pretending to be relevant and 0bama would be returned the billions that Iran needs to pay for more terrorism.



    Our next president will never be able to "Snapback" the sanctions and everyone knows that.



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    Re: White House agrees to give Congress a say on an Iran deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Shared governance is a good thing. But the founders did intend for the President to be in charge of implementing foreign policy.


    Powers of the President:
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States,

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur.


    I don't see that the Constitutions gives the president to power to make international agreement without the consent of the Senate.


    It is not good to put up obstacles to the President's foreign policy initiatives simply for the sake of political gain.
    The obstacles are welded into place in our Constitution.




    0bama has also violated other Powers of the Congress:
    2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States; Holding the nation hostage; 0bama forced the Congress to barrow trillions of dollars and his treasury is still printing money to make it look like things are great.

    3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    The EPA is regulating commerce the way 0bama wants and he is ignoring immigration laws that our founders was important enough to put in the hand of the people's representatives.

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