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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's what the Policy of Defense Study does.....
    Cool good for them. No one is arguing about what they do.

    no where do they cite anything about Cuba being taken on or off the Terrorism list.
    What? Isnt that the whole point of the article?...

    Yes its cool they have been around sometime.
    I know. Thanks for pointing out the obvious and pointless.
    Cuba has not abandoned its support for terrorists groups and states.
    Yes it has.
    Moreover they also do not extradite.
    Neither does the US. US is harboring several Cuban terrorists...
    Luis Posada Carriles ring a bell? Guy that planted a bomb on a Cuban airliner killing 73 Cuban civilians.. Know of him?
    No not one source......so again you are wrong.
    What are you trying to say now?

    This article was originally posted as part of the Cuba Transition Project
    . Tagged with → Cuba • Hezbollah • Iran • Venezuela .....snip~ <<<<< links to all sorts of Articles. Each one!
    naaa. Its literally the exact same article, with again only one source cited, which is the same one.
    Well, you always seem to be whining over Right leaning sources. Even when they are being Correct.
    Not whining. Just pointing out how your source is mostly baseless claims, and then they uphold claims that arent even terroristic..
    •Cuba directly and through Venezuela continues to provide intelligence to Hamas and Hezbollah.
    Another claim. Got a source?

    •Two Arab Shiites, Ghazi Nasr Al din and Fawzi Kanaan have set-up shop in Caracas, Venezuela under the protection of the Venezuelan government. Working in coordination with the Cuban government, both are active in promoting Hezbollah and Iranian targets in South America and against the U.S. They fundraise for Hezbollah; facilitate travel for Hezbollah activists to Venezuela and through Venezuela to other countries. This is all part of the strategic alliance between Venezuela, Cuba and Iran. There are also reports that they have smuggled narcotics and terrorists to the U.S. through Mexico and arms and explosives under Iranian diplomatic cover.
    Again. Not arguing that they are not in Venezuela, but how does this tie into Cuba. The only person who is making the claim that these two individuals are tied in with Cuban assistance is (as no surprise) the author Jaime Suchlicki. So again, I will have to ask is there any actual evidence that shows they are connected or is it just claims?
    •Current and former members of Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA), a Basque terrorist organization continue to reside in Cuba. While some of these terrorists are on the island as part of an accord between the Cuban and Spanish governments, others are hiding in Cuba, fugitives of Spanish justice......snip~
    "Reports continued to indicate that Cuba's ties to 14 ETA have become more distant, and that about eight of the two dozen ETA members in Cuba were relocated with the cooperation of the Spanish government. " - See more at: Cuba on the Terrorist List Again in 2013 - Latin America Working Group

    Again, if this makes Cuba a terrorist organization because they have these individuals on the island, then the US better adds itself to its own list harboring terrorists as well... But at least the Cuban government has been in contact with Spain about the ETA members and negotiations.
    Lets me help you out a little bit, "There was no indication that the Cuban government provided weapons or paramilitary training to terrorist groups." http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2013/224826.htm

    Thing is you just can't seem to figure out that being an ally of Iran......comes with all those benefits from the Iranians. Which all know Iran is State sponsor of terrorism.
    So guilt by association essentially? If your an ally of Iran you are a state sponsor of terrorism?
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Cubans receive cheap housing, transportation, healthcare, food subsidies.. They actually did survive after the "special period" (When the USSR collapsed") and certainly have to deal with constant pressure. Cuba's GDP has been fluctuating, and appears to be recovering. Yes, they may make less then $50 a month, which is deplorable, but it's hilarious to say Castro didn't care about his people.

    Didnt say they didnt care, I'm just pointing out the horrible society it is. and it survived on venezualan money and tourism.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Didnt say they didnt care, I'm just pointing out the horrible society it is. and it survived on venezualan money and tourism.
    It's not as bad as it's made out to be, that's all I'm saying. Oh, Venezuela? Not to bad either, Hugo actually made dramatic improvements.

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It's not as bad as it's made out to be, that's all I'm saying. Oh, Venezuela? Not to bad either, Hugo actually made dramatic improvements.


    Have you been there?


    I have.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Even if they closed down the Prison.....the Military base isn't going anywhere.

    Perhaps some other countries that are humanitarian like.....would consider taking the terrorists. Whats left of them.....off of our hands. Then we can use the safeguard soap going forward.


    and there again we have a moral issue.

    By what right does the US maintain that base?

    The Cuban government has asked them to leave, refuses payment to underscore that point, so how do you justify it with one of the largest Naval Air Stations 90 miles and 7 minutes away?

    The US attitude toward Cuba is one of a belligerent state.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    "the cancer that is Gitmo"

    I've long held that Gitmo is an imperfect solution for an imperfect world, and is the best of available options for these enemy combatants, which, if I recall, was a term that had to be created to best describe the ardent Militant Islamic Fundamentalists which are being held there.

    What would be the better solution that you'd propose?

    We know that just turning these detainees lose isn't the best, as there's a recidivism rate of around 30% or more (returning to the battle field to kill some more)

    We know that turning these detainees over to their country of origin isn't an option, as these countries don't want them and / or can't reliable incarcerate them (end up returning to the fight).

    We know that turning these detainees over to the the country that they were apprehended in isn't an option, as these countries don't want them and / or can't reliable incarcerate them (end up returning to the fight).

    We know that turning them over to CIA black sites isn't an option, as this comes with a wealth of legally questionable and morally questionable issues.

    We know that trying them in US criminal courts isn't a realistic or viable option due to cost, time, resources required, and it just turns into a show trial with the usual media conflagration, and is probably inappropriate for the situation, being more a military matter rather than a criminal matter, and why should the US tax payer be burdened with the expense of keeping them in such federal facilities? And to top that off, why would we want these radicals to spread their radicalism throughout the US prison population? Essentially infecting those that they are responsible with an even greater anti social and dangerous ideas?

    So what do you propose? What's your solution for Gitmo?

    I still see Gitmo as an imperfect solution for an imperfect world, and is the best of available options for these enemy combatants.


    Hypocrisy.

    The United States is founded on the rule of law, fought and fought hard to see that Nazi's were tried fairly and has lectured the world, including Cuba on civil rights while violating the civil rights of foreigners often based on erroneous hear say. Canada's own experience is Mahar Arar.

    if the US wants to lecture anyone then bring the evidence, at least a tribunal so that justice can be seen to be done. You have been lied to repeatedly from "you can keep your plan" to spying and over the years secret wars, and yet by mentioning "terrorist" you abandon your own constitution, imprison people without examinable evidence, access to information, access to counsel, abject torture and hold without independent examination of the "evidence" apparently for life. Despite all these lies, the American public trusts the lies of the CIA who covered up Benghazi to be truthful about what's going on, don't worry about the CIA making mistakes.

    How do we know that after all these years they will return to the fight? Besides, "the fight" is now at least four times larger than it was six years ago, so how is Gitmo helping?

    That isn't an imperfect solution, that is a crime.

    In 911 you surrendered your own freedom and values, I say the terrorists won by destroying democracy in America.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Have you been there?


    I have.
    Oh, Venezuela is pretty bad, but look at it before Hugo.

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And Obama continues his mission of ass-kissing dictators all over the globe!
    AMEN, he could not care less about any beneficial Foreign Policy, a narcissistic a$$ like Obama just wants people to think he is nifty.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Cool good for them. No one is arguing about what they do.

    What are you trying to say now?[B] naaa. Its literally the exact same article, with again only one source cited, which is the same one. Another claim. Got a source?

    Again. Not arguing that they are not in Venezuela, but how does this tie into Cuba. The only person who is making the claim that these two individuals are tied in with Cuban assistance is (as no surprise) the author Jaime Suchlicki. So again, I will have to ask is there any actual evidence that shows they are connected or is it just claims?

    Lets me help you out a little bit, "There was no indication that the Cuban government provided weapons or paramilitary training to terrorist groups." http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2013/224826.htm
    So guilt by association essentially? If your an ally of Iran you are a state sponsor of terrorism?




    Yes those were all links and no they didn't go to the same article. Each Page for those listed are articles on Iran. Venezuela, Cuba.....and Hezbollah. Of course you would have known that if you would have checked them out.

    Again they would not be putting this out if they didn't have the info. Which much of it was known already.

    Here let me help you out without Revisionist history.



    Hezbollah supporters living in the U.S. also sent remittances back to Lebanon to fund Hezbollah activities. For example, in Charlotte, NC Hezbollah support networks organized regular parlor meetings held in members' homes where a collection basket was passed around after watching Hezbollah propaganda videos, usually produced by al-Manar. (58)

    Hezbollah activities in Latin America, however, are by no means limited to the triborder area. Chilean officials have identified several import-export companies, primarily located in free trade zones such as the Iquique Free Trade Zone (ZOFRI) in northern Chile, that are suspected as serving as either front organizations or shell companies for Hezbollah. These include Kalmiar Ltd, Bahamas Ltd., Las Vegas Nevada Ltd., San Francisco Ltd., Saleh Trading Ltd., Frankfourt Ltd., Guarany Ltd., Teen Chile Ltd., and Lucky Crown Ltd. (87)


    Hezbollah members in Venezuela -- centered within the large Lebanese expatriate community on Margarita Island -- helped several members of the Hezbollah cell in Charlotte, North Carolina infiltrate into the United States through Venezuela in 1992. (91) In the free trade area of Maicao, Columbia, Hezbollah is believed to participate in cigarette smuggling and may have operated a clandestine radio station broadcasting the group's propaganda. (92).....snip~

    Hezbollah Finances: - Funding the Party of God - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy






    Cuba's Terror Smoking Gun.....

    Terrorism: For years, Cuba's apologists have debunked U.S. warnings of Havana's sponsorship of terror. It withers in the face of news that Cuba has just set up a Hezbollah base.

    According to a report in Italy's respected Corriere della Sera Wednesday, three Hezbollah terrorists operating out of Mexico have left that country to establish a permanent "bridgehead" to the communist island, calling their clandestine operation "The Caribbean Dossier." Twenty-three other terrorists from the Iran-linked terror group are expected to join the operation, which has a startup budget of more than $500,000. Corriere reported that the mission in Cuba is to provide logistical support for upcoming terrorist attacks planned in the hemisphere.

    More disturbingly, they have been tasked to network with Hezbollah's other terrorist cells in Venezuela, Paraguay and Mexico, all in need of logistical support for attacks. But the targets might not all be Latin American. With Hezbollah ordered to meet with, presumably in Havana, Mexico's cartel traffickers that control illegal alien routes into the U.S., it's likely terrorist attacks are in the works for America, too.

    Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Cuba's Terror Smoking Gun - Investors.com
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yes those were all links and no they didn't go to the same article. Each Page for those listed are articles on Iran. Venezuela, Cuba.....and Hezbollah. Of course you would have known that if you would have checked them out.

    Again they would not be putting this out if they didn't have the info. Which much of it was known already.

    Here let me help you out without Revisionist history.



    Hezbollah supporters living in the U.S. also sent remittances back to Lebanon to fund Hezbollah activities. For example, in Charlotte, NC Hezbollah support networks organized regular parlor meetings held in members' homes where a collection basket was passed around after watching Hezbollah propaganda videos, usually produced by al-Manar. (58)

    Hezbollah activities in Latin America, however, are by no means limited to the triborder area. Chilean officials have identified several import-export companies, primarily located in free trade zones such as the Iquique Free Trade Zone (ZOFRI) in northern Chile, that are suspected as serving as either front organizations or shell companies for Hezbollah. These include Kalmiar Ltd, Bahamas Ltd., Las Vegas Nevada Ltd., San Francisco Ltd., Saleh Trading Ltd., Frankfourt Ltd., Guarany Ltd., Teen Chile Ltd., and Lucky Crown Ltd. (87)


    Hezbollah members in Venezuela -- centered within the large Lebanese expatriate community on Margarita Island -- helped several members of the Hezbollah cell in Charlotte, North Carolina infiltrate into the United States through Venezuela in 1992. (91) In the free trade area of Maicao, Columbia, Hezbollah is believed to participate in cigarette smuggling and may have operated a clandestine radio station broadcasting the group's propaganda. (92).....snip~

    Hezbollah Finances: - Funding the Party of God - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy






    Cuba's Terror Smoking Gun.....

    Terrorism: For years, Cuba's apologists have debunked U.S. warnings of Havana's sponsorship of terror. It withers in the face of news that Cuba has just set up a Hezbollah base.

    According to a report in Italy's respected Corriere della Sera Wednesday, three Hezbollah terrorists operating out of Mexico have left that country to establish a permanent "bridgehead" to the communist island, calling their clandestine operation "The Caribbean Dossier." Twenty-three other terrorists from the Iran-linked terror group are expected to join the operation, which has a startup budget of more than $500,000. Corriere reported that the mission in Cuba is to provide logistical support for upcoming terrorist attacks planned in the hemisphere.

    More disturbingly, they have been tasked to network with Hezbollah's other terrorist cells in Venezuela, Paraguay and Mexico, all in need of logistical support for attacks. But the targets might not all be Latin American. With Hezbollah ordered to meet with, presumably in Havana, Mexico's cartel traffickers that control illegal alien routes into the U.S., it's likely terrorist attacks are in the works for America, too.

    Read More At Investor's Business Daily: Cuba's Terror Smoking Gun - Investors.com
    Follow us: @IBDinvestors on Twitter | InvestorsBusinessDaily on Facebook
    I'll go with you for a second here, have we not done the same type of stuff? Just seems hypocritical, assuming what you say is true.
    35 Countries Where the U.S. Has Supported Fascists, Drug Lords and Terrorists | Alternet

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