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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and the embargo hasn't dislodged it, either. time to try something else.



    possibly. we're their closest neighbor and the biggest economic force in the hemisphere.



    i'm curious about that myself. maybe the combination of ending the embargo and the Castros exiting the scene will be enough to topple the dictatorship.
    I really have no problem with Obama opening ties with Cuba and I think opening the door to American will do more to destabilize the tyrants than empower them. That said, I would like to have seen us get something in return for this type of move.

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh brother did you mean the Center For Security Policy is reaching for straws.....all due to saying that Cuba and Iran coordinate their policies to counteract or circumvent US Policy. So that would be like working together around US sanctions, huh? Not like that would be true, eh?




    In addition to its proven technical prowess to interfere and intercept U.S. telecommunications, Cuba has deployed around the world a highly effective human intelligence network. The type of espionage carried out by Ana Belén Montes,
    So having spies makes one a terrorist? No it doesnt. We have spies, we (the US gov) essentially intercept the whole worlds communications. Does that make the US gov terrorists? Based off this logic, we better put ourselves on our own lists of state sponsors of terrorism...

    one should expect that Tehran, in case of a U.S.-Iran conflict would launch an asymmetrical offensive against the U.S. and its European allies through surrogate terrorist states and paramilitary organizations. In such a scenario, Cuban intelligence would be invaluable to Iran and its proxies and Cuban territory could be used by terrorist groups to launch operations against the U.S.
    Wow.. Quite the doomsday hypothetical the CSP have thought up there. "If Iran launches a conflict against the US they might use Cuban intelligence". So now we are basing our list of dreamy hypotheticals?

    Yet the commitments to and interrelationships with anti-American terrorist groups have not disappeared. They have taken a more sophisticated approach; many times using proxies such as Venezuelan supporters.
    Hmmm no surprise here, a claim with no specifics...

    In the event of conflict with Iran and/or North Korea, two allies of Cuba, the Castro regime may be called upon to support its allies......snip~

    Center for Security Policy | Cuba?s Support for Terrorism and the Venezuela-Iran Nexus
    So they are basing this essentially of a hypothetical. Not only is the author of the TownHall piece grasping at straws, but the study she sites is as well. The whole argument seems to be based around Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba have good diplomatic relations, Cuba has spies, and therefore if Iran and the US go to war Cuba might offer them intelligence. Its non terroristic activity then put in the context of a hypothetical... This kinda backs up the reasoning to remove them from the list, a lot of the justification for them to remain on the list was purely petty political reasons.


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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Many were expected this to happen soon enough. About damn time this happens. The only thing Cuba exports now is doctors. Another step in the right direction to repairing this relationship between our two countries. [/FONT][/COLOR]
    About time.

    The US has had so much paranoia over a little island it's crazy.

    Now they can end their illegal occupation and stop acting like the Soviet Union.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Quoted for truth! I don't smoke - I hate smoking - but doggone it, once I see Cuban cigars for sale here stateside, I'm gonna smoke me one and listen to the greatest anti-war song ever written! Funny how that song still applies so strongly today, so long after the Cold War (which cost Cuba so much) was done and over with....
    How many do you want?

    There's a store three blocks from me has top grade Cuban. Send me the money and I will send some to you.

    Or maybe the next time I vacation there
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And Obama continues his mission of ass-kissing dictators all over the globe!

    Not too much paranoia'


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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I really have no problem with Obama opening ties with Cuba and I think opening the door to American will do more to destabilize the tyrants than empower them. That said, I would like to have seen us get something in return for this type of move.
    I just want to point out that if our goal is to destabilize the tyrant opening the door creates it's own award.

    The poll numbers I've seen regarding younger Cubans viewpoints on the economy, personal freedoms, and their government is pretty eye opening. It seems that opening up to Cuba is coinciding with the younger generation that isn't as enmeshed in the old generations communist views.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It's true, that since the detente between US and Cuba, I've seen it reported that arrests for political agitation have seen a marked increase. So much for any compromises on the Cuban state's part.

    What Amnesty International is saying? Not heard anything lately, but over the last few months, I believe, they've made some controversial accusations of some nations which you'd think were far less of a problem, being Democratic and all, and far fewer over what you'd think were far more egregious human rights violations, such as the taking of people's lives.

    Here was something from Amnesty's Blog.



    In today’s Cuba, it remains virtually impossible for anyone to peacefully express ideas opposing the Cuban government. All media are under the strict control of the state, as are unions. Despite the subsequent release of dozens of political prisoners early this year, short-term arrests and harassment of political dissidents and human rights activists remain a troubling reality on the island.

    The harassment of dissidents sometimes takes the form of acts of repudiation (actos de repudio). These acts are government-coordinated demonstrations, usually carried out in front of the homes of political opponents. During an act of repudiation, political opponents and human rights activists are subjected to verbal and physical abuse by groups of people chanting pro-government slogans.

    Working within this system, Cuba’s government could send the world a message it now welcomes accountability, transparency, and independent monitoring. But so far the message it has been sending is a very different one. Last month when the Inter-American Commission held a hearing on Cuba’s human rights record, the seats reserved for the Cuban government delegation remained empty, just like in previous hearings.....snip~

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/articles/...-the-americas/

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I really have no problem with Obama opening ties with Cuba and I think opening the door to American will do more to destabilize the tyrants than empower them. That said, I would like to have seen us get something in return for this type of move.
    i doubt that they could have given us much. we could have pressured them to hold elections or something, but that would have been useless. democracy has to happen from the inside.

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    And Obama continues his mission of ass-kissing dictators all over the globe!
    No precedent for that, huh?

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, they should make some confessions about the type of business they are doing with Iran.




    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now.....


    What about activity from seven months ago, does that count? As I noted yesterday, Cuba is in fact still a state sponsor of terror and its allies are enemies of the United States. One of those enemies is Iran, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism against the U.S. and Israel around the world through Hezbollah and Hamas. More from the Center for Security Policy:

    Iran, Cuba and Venezuela have developed a close and cooperative relationship against the U.S. and in support of terrorist groups and states. The three regimes increasingly coordinate their policies and resources in a three way partnership aimed at counteracting and circumventing U.S. policies in the Middle East and Latin America. Within this relationship, Cuba plays a strategic role in terms of geography (proximity to the U.S.), intelligence gathering (both electronic eavesdropping and human espionage) and logistics. .....snip~

    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now - Katie Pavlich


    Sorry man, you're using a blog to try to convince me of something that is highly doubtful.

    The United States has tried to use Cuba as a boogie man to keep you all afraid. Yes, they have done some nasty things to the US, but the US is in violation of about a hundred international laws, the occupation in Gitmo is illegal under any circumstance and the people as well as the government want that prison of torture off their island.


    I do not believe for one second that Cuba is spreading terrorism. Canada would have something to say if so, and we hold very close relations with Cuba and continue tom trade with them.

    This is the only decent thing Obama has done, now they need to close that torture facility and shut the **** up about civil rights abuses, as long as the US hold people with no legal grounds, they have no moral authority. They are an imperial power trying to punish a little island for kicking out the mafia
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