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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i want to see a policy that actually does something good for the people who live in Cuba, and i see zero evidence that a continued embargo is going to accomplish that.
    The best thing that could come to the people of Cuba would be their liberation from their present regime.
    Economic sanctions haven't dislodged it.
    Open trade with other western nations hasn't dislodged it.

    You are thinking that open trading with the US will somehow have a different effect than trading with other western nations?

    It'll be interesting when both Castro brothers can no longer lead the country, and what turn over of power will occur at that time. Can't be too far off, as aren't they both in their 80's?

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    Most of the former Soviet Block, ex Communist/Marxist-Leninist states were far from socialism, and communistic ideas. Most were totalitarian state nightmares giving no real power and liberation to the working classes, but all that is a discussion for another time.
    Quite true.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I guess we'll see how this all pans out, but so far, it seems that Obama's been caving in to demands and getting little, if nothing, in return.

    Cuba has an opportunity to reinvigorate their flagging economy, not the US, so wouldn't that put the onus on them to make some concessions to make this work? To make this happen?

    Well, they should make some confessions about the type of business they are doing with Iran.




    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now.....


    What about activity from seven months ago, does that count? As I noted yesterday, Cuba is in fact still a state sponsor of terror and its allies are enemies of the United States. One of those enemies is Iran, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism against the U.S. and Israel around the world through Hezbollah and Hamas. More from the Center for Security Policy:

    Iran, Cuba and Venezuela have developed a close and cooperative relationship against the U.S. and in support of terrorist groups and states. The three regimes increasingly coordinate their policies and resources in a three way partnership aimed at counteracting and circumventing U.S. policies in the Middle East and Latin America. Within this relationship, Cuba plays a strategic role in terms of geography (proximity to the U.S.), intelligence gathering (both electronic eavesdropping and human espionage) and logistics. .....snip~

    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now - Katie Pavlich

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The best thing that could come to the people of Cuba would be their liberation from their present regime.
    Economic sanctions haven't dislodged it.
    Open trade with other western nations hasn't dislodged it.
    and the embargo hasn't dislodged it, either. time to try something else.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    You are thinking that open trading with the US will somehow have a different effect than trading with other western nations?
    possibly. we're their closest neighbor and the biggest economic force in the hemisphere.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    It'll be interesting when both Castro brothers can no longer lead the country, and what turn over of power will occur at that time. Can't be too far off, as aren't they both in their 80's?
    i'm curious about that myself. maybe the combination of ending the embargo and the Castros exiting the scene will be enough to topple the dictatorship.

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and the embargo hasn't dislodged it, either. time to try something else.



    possibly. we're their closest neighbor and the biggest economic force in the hemisphere.



    i'm curious about that myself. maybe the combination of ending the embargo and the Castros exiting the scene will be enough to topple the dictatorship.
    All I can see the US gaining here in this softening of relations is influence with the follow on regime in the next few years.

    Of course a transfer of power is something completely new to Cuba. They've never done that before, so I'm thinking that it isn't going to go very smoothly, but we'll have to see.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, they should make some confessions about the type of business they are doing with Iran.




    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now.....


    What about activity from seven months ago, does that count? As I noted yesterday, Cuba is in fact still a state sponsor of terror and its allies are enemies of the United States. One of those enemies is Iran, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism against the U.S. and Israel around the world through Hezbollah and Hamas. More from the Center for Security Policy:

    Iran, Cuba and Venezuela have developed a close and cooperative relationship against the U.S. and in support of terrorist groups and states. The three regimes increasingly coordinate their policies and resources in a three way partnership aimed at counteracting and circumventing U.S. policies in the Middle East and Latin America. Within this relationship, Cuba plays a strategic role in terms of geography (proximity to the U.S.), intelligence gathering (both electronic eavesdropping and human espionage) and logistics. .....snip~

    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now - Katie Pavlich
    I raised this very question.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    This is little more than Obama playing politics so that he'll have at least one foreign policy 'win' (or appearance of a win anyway) for his legacy; his already badly tarnished legacy.

    It does make me wonder what Cuba did to land on the US Terror List, and if they've changed their behavior or not.
    So the answer seems to be that they really haven't, and it's just a political move for appearances sake and the usual lack of substance by Obama then (a lie). OK. Can't say that it's unexpected. Seems like all Obama does it lie anymore.
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

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    Many were expected this to happen soon enough. About damn time this happens. The only thing Cuba exports now is doctors. Another step in the right direction to repairing this relationship between our two countries. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I raised this very question.



    So the answer seems to be that they really haven't, and it's just a political move for appearances sake and the usual lack of substance by Obama then (a lie). OK. Can't say that it's unexpected. Seems like all Obama does it lie anymore.


    Didn't they have like 600 arrests within the last couple of months? What does Amnesty International have to say?

    Rubio announced he was Running for the Presidency. Said his First EO's would be undoing BO's over Cuba.

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, they should make some confessions about the type of business they are doing with Iran.




    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now.....


    What about activity from seven months ago, does that count? As I noted yesterday, Cuba is in fact still a state sponsor of terror and its allies are enemies of the United States. One of those enemies is Iran, the world's biggest sponsor of terrorism against the U.S. and Israel around the world through Hezbollah and Hamas. More from the Center for Security Policy:

    Iran, Cuba and Venezuela have developed a close and cooperative relationship against the U.S. and in support of terrorist groups and states. The three regimes increasingly coordinate their policies and resources in a three way partnership aimed at counteracting and circumventing U.S. policies in the Middle East and Latin America. Within this relationship, Cuba plays a strategic role in terms of geography (proximity to the U.S.), intelligence gathering (both electronic eavesdropping and human espionage) and logistics. .....snip~

    Obama: Cuba Hasn't Been Involved in Sponsoring Terrorism For Six Months So They're Off The List Now - Katie Pavlich
    Oh brother, the author of this article is really grasping at straws here. "Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela have good diplomatic relations, and we dont like them, therefore TERRORIST STATE!".
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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh brother, the author of this article is really grasping at straws here. "Iran, Cuba, and Venezuela have good diplomatic relations, and we dont like them, therefore TERRORIST STATE!".
    Oh brother did you mean the Center For Security Policy is reaching for straws.....all due to saying that Cuba and Iran coordinate their policies to counteract or circumvent US Policy. So that would be like working together around US sanctions, huh? Not like that would be true, eh?




    In addition to its proven technical prowess to interfere and intercept U.S. telecommunications, Cuba has deployed around the world a highly effective human intelligence network. The type of espionage carried out by Ana Belén Montes, the senior U.S. defense intelligence analyst who spied for Cuba during some 16 years until her arrest in 2001, has enabled the Castro regime to amass a wealth of intelligence on U.S. vulnerabilities as well as a keen understanding of the inner-workings of the U.S. security system. Such information and analysis was provided to Saddam Hussein prior to the U.S. invasion of Iraq and is being provided to a strategic ally like Iran. While one may argue that factors such as Iran’s limited military capabilities and sheer distance diminish any conventional concerns, one should expect that Tehran, in case of a U.S.-Iran conflict would launch an asymmetrical offensive against the U.S. and its European allies through surrogate terrorist states and paramilitary organizations. In such a scenario, Cuban intelligence would be invaluable to Iran and its proxies and Cuban territory could be used by terrorist groups to launch operations against the U.S.

    In an attempt to obtain unilateral concessions from the U.S., Gen. Raul Castro’s regime has toned down some of the violent anti-U.S. propaganda of older brother Fidel. Yet the commitments to and interrelationships with anti-American terrorist groups have not disappeared. They have taken a more sophisticated approach; many times using proxies such as Venezuelan supporters.

    The U.S. should do well to remain alert and vigilant. Cuba’s proximity to the U.S. makes the island an ideal platform for hostile acts against the U.S. In the event of conflict with Iran and/or North Korea, two allies of Cuba, the Castro regime may be called upon to support its allies......snip~

    Center for Security Policy | Cuba?s Support for Terrorism and the Venezuela-Iran Nexus

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    Re: Obama removes Cuba from state sponsor of terror list

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Didn't they have like 600 arrests within the last couple of months? What does Amnesty International have to say?

    Rubio announced he was Running for the Presidency. Said his First EO's would be undoing BO's over Cuba.
    It's true, that since the detente between US and Cuba, I've seen it reported that arrests for political agitation have seen a marked increase. So much for any compromises on the Cuban state's part.

    What Amnesty International is saying? Not heard anything lately, but over the last few months, I believe, they've made some controversial accusations of some nations which you'd think were far less of a problem, being Democratic and all, and far fewer over what you'd think were far more egregious human rights violations, such as the taking of people's lives.
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.
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