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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, then your point is gun accidents and deaths for children isn't a problem worth worrying about, or at least not worth worrying MORE about. That's fine. I was just pointing out that there is no need to solve problem X before moving on to problem Y.



    I don't feel like getting into a discussion about the broader issue of the the 2nd Amendment. I own several guns and have been shooting since I was a child, so I'm not pushing for any kind of ban.

    But you lose credibility citing made up quotes attributed to the Founders to prove a point. I've seen that quote many times, and have never been able to find any evidence Washington ever said those words, or anything close to it.


    Ah. "You own guns and have been shooting since childhood and not pushing for any kind of ban." Lovely.

    That's what all the anti-gunners tell us these days. It's like a script. It gains you not one whit of credibility any more.

    So leaving aside no proof on your part that Washington didn't say what he is widely attributed to have said, let's ask what is it YOU DO WANT to do?


    More gun control I suppose? Just a guess...

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No indeed.


    It's tragic, but more toddlers die from drowning than gunshot. More children die in car crashes than by gunshot. More children die from parental abuse or neglect than by gunshot.


    Solve those common problems and then we can talk about rare outliers like gun accidents, which have been trending lower for decades.
    And far more children in the US die or are injured from gunshot than in the rest of the developed countries in world combined

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And far more children in the US die or are injured from gunshot than in the rest of the developed countries in world combined
    Well those countries, such as England, are slaves to the government. The weak an unarmed public couldn't stop your government from doing whatever they wanted. Look at North Korea. It's not impossible.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And far more children in the US die or are injured from gunshot than in the rest of the developed countries in world combined


    And yet that number is still very small compared to a 315 million plus population, and has been declining for decades, and is TINY compared to kids getting mashed dead in car crashes.... yet we don't see this furor over thousands of child traffic deaths.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Well those countries, such as England, are slaves to the government. The weak an unarmed public couldn't stop your government from doing whatever they wanted. Look at North Korea. It's not impossible.
    Slaves because we don't have (or more importantly want) guns in our homes eh ?

    Heres why

    Gun deaths in children: Statistics show firearms endanger kids despite NRA safety programs.

    The United States accounts for nearly 75 percent of all children murdered in the developed world. Children between the ages of 5 and 14 in the United States are 17 times more likely to be murdered by firearms than children in other industrialized nations.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Slaves because we don't have (or more importantly want) guns in our homes eh ?

    Heres why

    Gun deaths in children: Statistics show firearms endanger kids despite NRA safety programs.

    The United States accounts for nearly 75 percent of all children murdered in the developed world. Children between the ages of 5 and 14 in the United States are 17 times more likely to be murdered by firearms than children in other industrialized nations.
    That may be so. Doesn't make what I said false. You are completely defenseless as a public. I feel sorry for you

    Meanwhile. I have a nice over-and-under double barrel shotgun and an AR15 :-)

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    And yet that number is still very small compared to a 315 million plus population, and has been declining for decades, and is TINY compared to kids getting mashed dead in car crashes.... yet we don't see this furor over thousands of child traffic deaths.
    All developed countries have traffic deaths they are a sad constant of modern life. Gun deaths are not. Why is this extra lethal firearms factor almost absent in other such countries ? There is also the difference between accident and intent too. Firearms deaths are more often than not intentional and not accidental like auto crashes

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    All developed countries have traffic deaths they are a sad constant of modern life. Gun deaths are not. Why is this extra lethal firearms factor almost absent in other such countries ? There is also the difference between accident and intent too. Firearms deaths are more often than not intentional and not accidental like auto crashes
    Also likely to be suicide. But I don't think people are running around intentionally shooting kids, and for accidental deaths, guns come in pretty low for kids. If the goal is to maximize impact on infant mortality rates, there are other places to turn to before guns.
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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    That may be so. Doesn't make what I said false. You are completely defenseless as a public. I feel sorry for you

    Meanwhile. I have a nice over-and-under double barrel shotgun and an AR15 :-)
    Who are we supposed to be defending ourselves against that would require us to have such an arsenal. Ze Germans ? , The Zulu's ?, The Mafia ?

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Also far more likely to be suicide.
    Guns make suicide easier to expedite too

    People with access to a gun are three times more likely to commit suicide and almost twice as likely to be the victim of a homicide as people without a firearm available.

    Easy Access to Guns Tied to Higher Risk of Suicide, Homicide

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