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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Please present your unbiased one that counters its conclusions ? Meanwhile in an attempt to get back on topic
    I just love that you're so embarrassed to be associated with the studies you presented on this thread. My oh my are you trying to deflect and get away so hard

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

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    The same reason others distort data and statistics, to promote an agenda.
    Why would such an organisation have an anti gun agenda ? I think the more likely reality is that they have a pro life agenda given its members are certainly best placed to witness the consequences of your gun crazy carnage at first hand every day

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Why would such an organisation have an anti gun agenda ? I think the more likely reality is that they have a pro life agenda given its members are certainly best placed to witness the consequences of your gun crazy carnage at first hand every day
    Lots of places have political agendas. As do you, given your propaganda terms here.
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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I just love that you're so embarrassed to be associated with the studies you presented on this thread. My oh my are you trying to deflect and get away so hard
    Why would I be embarrassed given I've backed up my position and you have yet to counter it with more than just subjective assertion and long out of date links ? Try to stay on topic

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of places have political agendas. As do you, given your propaganda terms here.
    Maybe they just have a humanitarian agenda ? Ever consider that ? Only in the US are guns deemed a political issue. Elsewhere in the developed world its a health and safety concern with the US model held up as the perfect example not to follow

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You're the one with the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. You want to say that a gun in the home increases risk, so prove the gun which caused the injury is the same gun which was kept in the home. That's a cornerstone of their claims so it should be very easy to find. I looked and didn't find it. Prove me wrong by quoting that potion of the study.
    Actually, no, you made a specific claim. See below.

    Second, with a suicide, which gun do you think was used if not for the one in the home? The gun was conjured up by magic?

    And for murders, they looked at gun ownership rates. And I explained in the post above the problem I had with the claim. Why would gun owners be at a HIGHER risk of murder from an invader, even if the deaths are due to the criminal bringing his own gun and killing the homeowner? At best it shows that guns in the home are worthless for self defense and at worst would show that having a gun increases the risk of death because pulling it out might mean the robber will kill you in self defense when he'd otherwise flee or just beat you. At any rate, having a gun for self defense still INCREASES the risk of death - whether it's by your own or someone else's gun is not all that relevant to me.

    But I'm going to bow out of this discussion. You made a specific claim:

    The research cited assumes that if a person was killed and a gun was owned in the home, it was the gun in the home that was responsible for the death. In fact, virtually all of those deaths were due to guns being brought in by criminals getting into the home.

    Faulty research.
    If you can't back it up, that's fine, but if you're going to deny you made a claim, refuse to provide evidence for it, it then shift the burden back on me, I'll pass on that type of discussion. It's not worth the effort. If you want to have an honest conversation, I'll play along, but I'm not going to deal with that nonsense.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Why would such an organisation have an anti gun agenda ? I think the more likely reality is that they have a pro life agenda given its members are certainly best placed to witness the consequences of your gun crazy carnage at first hand every day
    A "gun crazy" public is what keeps the government from taking complete control. A disarmed public is at the mercy of their leaders. Quite pathetic. Yes, it opens the door to more violence within that region, but the point stands. One could whine and cry about gun violence, but don't come crying to us again when your public can't defend themselves, once again.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Maybe they just have a humanitarian agenda ? Ever consider that ? Only in the US are guns deemed a political issue. Elsewhere in the developed world its a health and safety concern with the US model held up as the perfect example not to follow
    Hahaha, that's some good propaganda there. Humanitarian agenda? It's not guns you need to go after, but root behavior in that case. Mental health issues, support, and care for suicides, for instance. Calling for any of that are you? Or are you just going after something that you don't politically agree with and use these deaths as a way to advance your propaganda?
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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    A "gun crazy" public is what keeps the government from taking complete control. A disarmed public is at the mercy of their leaders. Quite pathetic. Yes, it opens the door to more violence within that region, but the point stands. One could whine and cry about gun violence, but don't come crying to us again when your public can't defend themselves, once again.
    Truly crazy stuff

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hahaha, that's some good propaganda there.
    Its simply a statement of fact nothing more

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