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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You can't legislate personal responsibility. If you can't trust a person with a gun, then you can't trust them with a child, or a car, or any meaningful job, or even a box cutter.
    Whatever else between us Jerry, I LOVE this, esp the bold. And I will be reusing it.

    So sue me!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

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    "I'm still ignoring your studies in favor of my own, since mine are correct and yours are not."

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Dr Ellis might need to take that up that discrepancy with your American Academy of Pediatrics then

    Or maybe the AAP's study is biased. Or they've assembled their data in a manner that supports the conclusions they preferred. Wouldn't be the first time.


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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I've already posted multiple studies that show otherwise. Here are more

    Gun access tied to greater suicide, murder risk: study | Reuters
    This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The study cited did not reach the conclusion the news article is presenting. Here is that study, here is it's conclusion:
    Hospitalization for a firearm-related injury is associated with a heightened risk for subsequent violent victimization or crime perpetration. Further research at the intersection of clinical care, the criminal justice system, and public health to evaluate the effectiveness of interventions delivered to survivors of firearm-related injury is warranted.
    The study is saying if you were a victim of a gunshot then you're likely going to be a victim of violence again. This study said nothing about suicide other than suicide by gun is more likely to succeed. My source did not contradict this. My source said if you're denied a gun you'll just find some other way to kill yourself.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Again, should we not have enacted seat belt laws and chalked it up to failure to be responsible?
    Who's rights were being infringed on with seat belt laws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Well, I have things to do besides swap links nobody reads. Laters.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    6 years old means they're irrelevant right? After all nothing that happened more than 6 years ago matters.
    Times change as do crime stats. The UK currently enjoys the lowest overall crime figures since records began and our gun laws have doubtless contributed in some small way to that . I think thats pretty significant even if you don't

    I didn't say you didn't have some excuse why not. I just said you ignored them as irrelevant, because you don't WANT to consider stats that don't support your position.
    His stats were out of date. I updated them. Of more relevence is the fact that our already very low gun crime continues to fall as the few guns left in circulation are steadily removed.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    "I'm still ignoring your studies in favor of my own, since mine are correct and yours are not."
    I can't make you see something you dont want to

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I can't make you see something you dont want to
    Ditto.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

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    shrubnose[/B];1064527447]

    Same should happen to the parents that leave their kids to die in hot cars right?

    How about the parents whose kid drowns in their pool?


    This thread is about kids killed by guns.

    If you want to start threads about those other topics, get after it.

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