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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Please provide a citation for that evidence.

    Are you SURE you're not anti-gun? You haven't said a single positive thing about gun ownership in this thread, that I noticed... but plenty of negative.

    No, you're not advocating any specific legislation just the now, but every post in the thread has been negative towards gun ownership.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Please provide a citation for that evidence.
    You're the one with the claim, so the burden of proof is on you. You want to say that a gun in the home increases risk, so prove the gun which caused the injury is the same gun which was kept in the home. That's a cornerstone of their claims so it should be very easy to find. I looked and didn't find it. Prove me wrong by quoting that potion of the study.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Causes of suicide:



    Owning a firearm doesn't increase the chance of suicide, and no owning a firearm doesn't lower the chance of suicide.
    I've already posted multiple studies that show otherwise. Here are more

    Gun access tied to greater suicide, murder risk: study | Reuters
    Access to Guns Increases Risk of Suicide, Homicide | UC San Francisco
    Guns & Suicide: The Hidden Toll | Magazine Features | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health Magazine Features

    A gun in the home trebles the risk of a successful suicide attempt

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm sorry you feel having a shotgun at home makes you less safe.

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    I dont get that. I wouldnt have my house gun if it didnt make me feel safer. I have examined the pros and cons, and received training and worked out scenarios and a safety plan.

    I dont have any other people in my household but there are plenty of safety plans and even alternatives to a gun if you dont want to commit properly to the responsibilities of gun ownership.
    "Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    I wonder why "People will be held accountable for this tragedy", while other tragedies are just considered "accidents".

    Accident:


    Accident:


    Seeking to arrest:


    The word accident doesn't even appear in the OPs article or headline.

    One of these things is not like the others
    TX law explains some of those questions.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, that's good, but in almost all cases, a baseball bat or frying pan would work just as well, because few burglars are also cold blooded killers. .
    What? How would you know? Are you asking them? Am I supposed to 'wait and find out' if they are going to kill me?

    Of course, a good indicator will be how they deal with my dogs.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I did. The research doesn't prove that the gun which caused the death is the same gun which was kept in the home. The research claimed they were the same but nowhere in that study do yo find their proof. That's the fault, they made a claim without proof.

    You want me to quote something, but that there's no proof to be quoted is the very thing which is faulty.
    So its just your opinion then. Thanks for your candour

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont get that. I wouldnt have my house gun if it didnt make me feel safer. I have examined the pros and cons, and received training and worked out scenarios and a safety plan.

    I dont have any other people in my household but there are plenty of safety plans and even alternatives to a gun if you dont want to commit properly to the responsibilities of gun ownership.

    Yeah, I hate to question someone's sincerity but that is just a weird sort of statement, that he thinks his having a shotgun at home (which he says is kept unloaded) makes it more likely he or his family will be shot. You'd think if he really believed that he'd get rid of it.

    But I hate to question someone's word without good reason...

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They are full of ****.

    Firearm deaths don't make the top ten causes of death for children and adolescents.

    Common Causes of Death for Children


    1 2 and 3 are car accidents, drowning and fires.
    Dr Ellis might need to take that up that discrepancy with your American Academy of Pediatrics then

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