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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I backed up my position with evidence rather than subjective assertion . Perhaps you should do the same
    You gave faulty research from biased sources giving a slanted presentation.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    FTR I am opposed to seat belt laws. There are other ways to encourage responsible behavior without making it a mandate, and it isn't the gov's responsibility to save you from your own bad choices all the time.

    The gov mainly uses seat belt laws to generate revenue via LE stops, and LE likes it because it gives them yet another excuse to stop people and be snoopy.
    How would you have encouraged seat belt use?

    Do you believe that it would have been as effective/ more effective than the law that was enacted? Explain?

    As far as revenue generation, I don't believe that was the goal when the law was enacted, but I suspect there are places that it happens.

    Compliance should be the goal, not revenue generation.
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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    You are certainly in no position to go pointing fingers there frankly. Simply crying BS when you don't like something is hardly conducive to debate


    Bud, I'm telling you that you're doing the same thing, exactly as predicted. This isn't my first gun debate; I've seen it so many times it isn't really funny anymore.


    Both sides tend to ignore each others stats and studies, or just poo-poo them. Yes I am doing it, and so are you. So what's the point.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    How would you have encouraged seat belt use?

    Do you believe that it would have been as effective/ more effective than the law that was enacted? Explain?

    As far as revenue generation, I don't believe that was the goal when the law was enacted, but I suspect there are places that it happens.

    Compliance should be the goal, not revenue generation.


    It ends up being revenue generation, and an excuse for road-blocks or stops.

    It could have just as easily been encouraged by this law: "if you're not wearing your seat belt, then no one else is liable for any injuries you sustain."

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You gave faulty research from biased sources giving a slanted presentation.
    Prove it ?

    Meanwhile

    Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.”

    Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year | MSNBC

    The number of US kids and teens who die from gunshot wounds in hospital has risen almost 60 percent in a decade, according to a new report.

    The study by two doctors looked at data from 1997 to 2009, and found the number of those hospitalized with gunshot wounds rose from 4,270 to 7,730, while the number of those that then died from them climbed from 317 to 503.


    US Child Gun Deaths Rose 60 Percent In 10 Years

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bud, I'm telling you that you're doing the same thing, exactly as predicted. This isn't my first gun debate; I've seen it so many times it isn't really funny anymore.

    Both sides tend to ignore each others stats and studies, or just poo-poo them. Yes I am doing it, and so are you. So what's the point.
    What have you presented that I've ignored ?

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Prove it ?

    Meanwhile

    Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.

    Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year | MSNBC

    The number of US kids and teens who die from gunshot wounds in hospital has risen almost 60 percent in a decade, according to a new report.

    The study by two doctors looked at data from 1997 to 2009, and found the number of those hospitalized with gunshot wounds rose from 4,270 to 7,730, while the number of those that then died from them climbed from 317 to 503.


    US Child Gun Deaths Rose 60 Percent In 10 Years
    Those are 2 more sources that assume the gun kept in the home is the gun which caused the injury. You have no proof that was the case. Again you offer faulty research.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Prove it ?

    Meanwhile

    Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.

    Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year | MSNBC

    The number of US kids and teens who die from gunshot wounds in hospital has risen almost 60 percent in a decade, according to a new report.

    The study by two doctors looked at data from 1997 to 2009, and found the number of those hospitalized with gunshot wounds rose from 4,270 to 7,730, while the number of those that then died from them climbed from 317 to 503.


    US Child Gun Deaths Rose 60 Percent In 10 Years


    BULL ****. . I linked to the FBI uniform crime report, showing about fourteen thousand TOTAL murders per year for several years (from all weapons/causes)... you're trying to say over three thousand of them are "children"?


    If you count 25yo gang bangers as "children", as some of these so -called "studies" have, perhaps.



    Utter nonsense.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What have you presented that I've ignored ?

    All Jerry's stats and studies for one.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    What have you presented that I've ignored ?
    WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE? A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE
    Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy


    Guns are just one among numerous available deadly instruments. Thus, banning guns cannot reduce the amount of suicides. Such measures only reduce the number of suicides by firearms. Suicides committed in other ways increase to make up the difference. People do not commit suicide because they have guns available. They kill themselves for reasons they deem sufficient, and in the absence of firearms they just kill themselves in some other way.
    Causes of suicide:



    Owning a firearm doesn't increase the chance of suicide, and no owning a firearm doesn't lower the chance of suicide.

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