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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Again, should we not have enacted seat belt laws and chalked it up to failure to be responsible?
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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Which is exactly what you're doing, which is exactly what I predicted, which I why I mostly stopped bothering with it some time ago.
    Well as they say 'you can lead a horse to water' ........

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well as they say 'you can lead a horse to water' ........

    ... but you can't make him realize he's doing the same thing he's accusing others of doing: ignoring the other's guy's stats and studies.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by ggwilder View Post
    One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home

    Right to bare arms? Shouldn't that right come with responsibility not to have a loaded gun where kids can get hold of them? Surely this is common sense. Another senseless and preventable death...face palm

    Gun control? No?
    Same thing happened here...but it was a cop that left the gun available. 7 yr old son killed 3 yr old sister.

    It's not about training, it's about being responsible, period.
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    "No, you'll be *a* judge of that, just like everyone else who reads it."
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    Again, should we not have enacted seat belt laws and chalked it up to failure to be responsible?
    This is as if the mother ignored the seat-belt law, so I'm not getting your point.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I'm not suggesting that laws be used to change culture, but culture change is often the result rendering the need for the law that started it unnecessary in the long run.
    Force has always been an effective tool at making people do what we want. I'm not a voluntaryist because I don't realize the effectiveness of force, but because I reject it as a basis of just human interaction.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This is absolutely tragic, the death of a child, especially so violently and horrifically is a haunting thought as a father myself.

    But you can't legislate against stupidity.

    Whoever left that gun where it was should face negligent homicide.
    They didnt charge the cop I mentioned in a previous post.

    At least, not until the public complained and contacted the dept. I was one of those people.

    In the end, he got a hung jury and they decided not to retry.

    Meanwhile, in a similar situation across the state where a 3 yr old got hold of parent's gun, and shot himself, BOTH parents were immediately charged with manslaughter.

    The hypocrisy did not sit well.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    I don't see the need for punishment in cases like this; I don't think they are likely to do it again.
    It's esp. effective when they run out of kids
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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    ... but you can't make him realize he's doing the same thing he's accusing others of doing: ignoring the other's guy's stats and studies.
    You are certainly in no position to go pointing fingers there frankly. Simply crying BS when you don't like something is hardly conducive to debate

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    Re: One-year-old shot dead by 3-year old in Cleveland home.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is about the parents's carelessness ,not gun control I think and that is one of the reasons why I believe not everybody should be allowed to have guns
    LIke I just posted, cops do it too. Left a loaded gun in the glove compartment and left a 7 yr old and a 3 yr old alone in the van.

    I dont think he should have even left kids that old alone in a van, much less with a loaded gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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