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Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

Objective Voice said:
Are you saying you believe the officer made a conscience decision to use his firearm on the suspect instead of mistaking his firearm for his tazer?

Personally, I'd like to see the shooting from another perspective, perhaps from the mini-cam of one of the other police officers on the scene. From the available footage in the OP, it's difficult to determine conclusively if the officer who shot the man was the same officer who picked the gun up off the ground. But if it was the same police officer, it's difficult for me to believe he didn't know he had his gun in his hand and not his tazer. But again, the video footage doesn't show which of the officers on the scene fired the shot. All we know is whomever did it quickly realized their mistake.
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No I'm saying that a taser can kill a guy too. If they had enough force to control him they shouldn't be using either one.
 
What the guy being arrested needed to do was argue that he had ancestral rights to do drugs. Just like Clive Bundy had an ancestral rights to avoid taxes and use land that did not belong to him. Maybe, just maybe, CRUE CAB would defend him. :lol:
 
csbrown28 said:
And who decides "that type of citizen"? You? God help us.

Just a reminder, felons don't have to give up their rights just because they broke, or are in the process of breaking our laws.

Again, the guy sounds like an a-hole, but I'm not defending him because I like him, I'm defending him because the lines you are drawing are so arbitrary and subjective they can easily be abused.
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Not arbitrary at all. Actually pretty specific.
 
Lursa said:
No. Again you choose to dismiss our Constitutional right to due process....but only for 'some citizens.' Hmmm.
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So if someone is killing you, you are going to worry about their due process?
 
The guy should be charged with involuntary manslaughter, and the police department should be sued by the family members.

But I have little simpathy for the guy that got shot. If you don't run, argue or fight with police, you won't get shot. Take your battle to court. And if you're running because you know you are guilty, and get shot, realize you took that chance. Does not make it right. Stand outside with a long pole in your hand during a thunderstorm, don't get mad if you get hit with lightning.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So? Are you in favor of let the criminals run wild model of justice?
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For the most part I am in favor of the model as laid out in our Constitution. The one where the court system dishes out the punishment.
 
Tsunami said:
No I'm saying that a taser can kill a guy too. If they had enough force to control him they shouldn't be using either one.
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From what I saw on the video, there's no doubt whatsoever that the man was completely subdued, i.e., a cop at his legs, one twisting his arms behind his back attempting to put him in cuffs, another with his knee on his head (being ground into the pavement no less - Ouch! :eek:). Yeah, he was completely subdued at that point. To that, I agree with you. Using the taser on him at this point would have been overkill. But unfortunately, the man's dead not from excessive force (though I'd contend such was used in this case), but from recklessness, stupidity or lack of awareness/attention to detail.
 
Capster78 said:
The guy should be charged with involuntary manslaughter, and the police department should be sued by the family members.

But I have little simpathy for the guy that got shot. If you don't run, argue or fight with police, you won't get shot. Take your battle to court. And if you're running because you know you are guilty, and get shot, realize you took that chance. Does not make it right. Stand outside with a long pole in your hand during a thunderstorm, don't get mad if you get hit with lightning.
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Sure, and wear a short skirt, don't get mad if a guy rapes you. It's sad that there are multiple people on this board who feel that victims deserve no sympathy if they did anything immoral. He could have had a mental illness that caused his behavior as well, but there's not that much we're going to find out at this point because somebody killed him.
 
Mustachio said:
Sure, and wear a short skirt, don't get mad if a guy rapes you. It's sad that there are multiple people on this board who feel that victims deserve no sympathy if they did anything immoral. He could have had a mental illness that caused his behavior as well, but there's not that much we're going to find out at this point because somebody killed him.
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Its called holding yourself responsible for your decisions. If everyone around you is telling you that your actions / behavior have no concequences then you will find yourself with a generation of people with no common sense. They really believe that they can act however they want wherever they are and its ok because society tells them that its ok to be naieve. There are people out there that are just not good people, and they will take advantage of naieve people like the ones you want to raise.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So if someone is killing you, you are going to worry about their due process?
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Nah uh...no changing it up. You are claiming that getting shot is the victim's fault for resisting, for not paying child support, for doing drugs, for running away in fear, etc.

Nice dishonesty comin' out there tho, when you cant support your statements. No worries...your statements are there in black and white and they're not going anywhere.
 
Lursa said:
Nah uh...no changing it up. You are claiming that getting shot is the victim's fault for resisting, for not paying child support, for doing drugs, for running away in fear, etc.

Nice dishonesty comin' out there tho, when you cant support your statements. No worries...your statements are there in black and white and they're not going anywhere.
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No dishonesty at all, you keep bringing up due process. How far do you go with that?
 
CRUE CAB said:
No dishonesty at all, you keep bringing up due process. How far do you go with that?
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It's not up to the cop, that's for sure.
 
CRUE CAB said:
If he feels his life or the life of another is as risk. It is.
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Back to the dishonesty, you were claiming that all sorts of 'undesirables' (in your opinion) wouldnt be subject TO lethal force from cops if they werent who they were. You were blaming the victims, because to you, they are not deserving of their Constitutional rights, in this case, due process.

Stop lying to try and fix it....I'll just start posting your earlier quotes where you were quite clear.
 
Erod said:
I'm saying that if you don't take PCP and start a police chase, this probably won't happen to you.

This is classic Darwin working here. Liberals love that stuff.
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That's fine. One wrong action doesn't excuse another. Each stands on its own merits, or lack of.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Show a violent tendency, and I dont care. You get what you give. You become a drain on society by being a drugged out moron. You have lost your basic rights.
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You would enjoy living in a totalitarian society. You'd be on the "police state is always right" side and enjoy your glorious superiority.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I'd actually have no issue with that, only demand that any loved ones they have pay for their incarceration.
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And if they don't? Or can't?

Just put a bullet in all their heads, I guess. Can't have any slackers and non-conformers taking up any more valuable oxygen.
 
Capster78 said:
The guy should be charged with involuntary manslaughter, and the police department should be sued by the family members.

But I have little simpathy for the guy that got shot. If you don't run, argue or fight with police, you won't get shot. Take your battle to court. And if you're running because you know you are guilty, and get shot, realize you took that chance. Does not make it right. Stand outside with a long pole in your hand during a thunderstorm, don't get mad if you get hit with lightning.
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Probably the best post of the thread so far. The guy really isn't deserving of much sympathy, but at the same time that doesn't excuse in any way the ending.
 
radcen said:
You would enjoy living in a totalitarian society. You'd be on the "police state is always right" side and enjoy your glorious superiority.
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He's a small government Conservative. :lol:
 
radcen said:
And if they don't? Or can't?

Just put a bullet in all their heads, I guess. Can't have any slackers and non-conformers taking up any more valuable oxygen.
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You can slack and non conform all you like, you just cant be a violent drug addled scummer.
 
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