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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Because you are removing both due process and the laws in which the Police are also to abide by based entirely on the nature of the crime and the suspect. With your line of thinking that means if someone runs from the Police they are not necessarily deserving of a "lead sandwich" but if they are a "drugged out moron" then they do. That is classic unequal application of the law, all it takes is being a "drugged out moron" and that person is undeserving of basic rights under the law we afford to everyone. Not just those we agree with.
    Well, I think that he'd 'like' to remove due process and the law (for people he specifically designates). Or at least remove the accountability of cops for being bound by them.
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I realize that, however the affects of stress are very significant and very difficult to train for. I'm not excusing it but I do question a 73 yr old guy out there on the front lines with the potential of being placed in such stressful situations.
    You are right, 73 year old people should not be armed street cops. To have someone that old working on your force is insane IMO. Maybe someone like that could work the desk or type out stuff but not wrestling with people on the street, mistaking your taser for your gun.
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Is there another thread on this? This is a few days old.

    Very sad but...the reserve deputy was 73 yrs old? Yowzaa. There's a reason that people are supposed to...even forced to...retire at a certain age.

    Maybe they should reconsider the configuration of tasers to be so similar to guns. Are they all like that? I have seen some that arent but they werent police issue.
    wash state patrol mandates retirement no later then 65 IIRC

    Were the tazers you saw actually tazers? I ask because there is some confusion between tazers which fire a projectile attached to electrical wires over a distance, and stun guns which are contact weapons. Directly touch then, I haven't seen any taser models that aren't at least partially shaped like a pistol because accuracy is important for it to work, and a handgun type grip is the easiest to aim.
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    A taser is supposed to be considered lethal force, so theoretically the decision to use one should also allow the use of a firearm. It's not the mistake that was at fault here, it was the decision-making.
    Are you saying you believe the officer made a conscience decision to use his firearm on the suspect instead of mistaking his firearm for his tazer?

    Personally, I'd like to see the shooting from another perspective, perhaps from the mini-cam of one of the other police officers on the scene. From the available footage in the OP, it's difficult to determine conclusively if the officer who shot the man was the same officer who picked the gun up off the ground. But if it was the same police officer, it's difficult for me to believe he didn't know he had his gun in his hand and not his tazer. But again, the video footage doesn't show which of the officers on the scene fired the shot. All we know is whomever did it quickly realized their mistake.
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Because you are removing both due process and the laws in which the Police are also to abide by based entirely on the nature of the crime and the suspect. With your line of thinking that means if someone runs from the Police they are not necessarily deserving of a "lead sandwich" but if they are a "drugged out moron" then they do. That is classic unequal application of the law, all it takes is being a "drugged out moron" and that person is undeserving of basic rights under the law we afford to everyone. Not just those we agree with.
    Show a violent tendency, and I dont care. You get what you give. You become a drain on society by being a drugged out moron. You have lost your basic rights.

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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Show a violent tendency, and I dont care. You get what you give. You become a drain on society by being a drugged out moron. You have lost your basic rights.
    And with that I rest my case, you become the decision maker for whom does and does not have rights based on your exclusive judgments. Or, a clear cut case of unequal protections under the law.
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    And with that I rest my case, you become the decision maker for whom does and does not have rights based on your exclusive judgments. Or, a clear cut case of unequal protections under the law.
    He lost being equal to me when he shot up.

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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    He lost being equal to me when he shot up.
    You are welcome to that opinion, but that opinion is devoid of all reality when it comes to our laws.
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    wash state patrol mandates retirement no later then 65 IIRC

    Were the tazers you saw actually tazers? I ask because there is some confusion between tazers which fire a projectile attached to electrical wires over a distance, and stun guns which are contact weapons. Directly touch then, I haven't seen any taser models that aren't at least partially shaped like a pistol because accuracy is important for it to work, and a handgun type grip is the easiest to aim.
    Must have been 'stun guns.' Contact weapons.

    Meh, they managed to make TNG phasers without pistol grips, I'm sure we could do the same with tasers
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    Re: Cop shoots suspect, mistakes gun for tazer

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    You are welcome to that opinion, but that opinion is devoid of all reality when it comes to our laws.
    And even outside of the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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