Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

Fletch said:

I was simply pointing out the obvious that a Hispanic candidate like Rubio would be championed by the media if he were a democrat.

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Fletch said:

Are you denying it? Or do you just have nothing better to say?

Oh and no one is claiming to be persecuted. I am simply pointing out the obvious bias and double standard. Maybe you should look up big words before using them.

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rocket88 said:

I can't imagine why he'd want to be VP. He has a long career ahead of him and spending it in a position that is not a promotion doesn't seem very smart.

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Fletch said:

I fully expect the media to rally around Rubio the same way they did Obama. After all, his is a historic candidacy. In Rubio we have the first Hispanic candidate with a genuine chance to win the White House. The negative aspects of his past will be ignored and the media will swallow any vague platitudes he utters and spread them as if the were spoken by the Chosen One. Oh wait. Rubio is republican. Nevermind. The media will trash him

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Fearandloathing said:

No way to verify but during the Lewinski affair I heard several shows about Bill's fast fly. He is said to have cheated on her with her knowledge before they were married.

That is her nature. What morals do you surrender to become a politician to deliberately seek out and stay with a sex addict in the first place, and to remain in that "marriage" for the sake of her own career?

Americans need to ask themselves not weather she is qualified to be president but whether she is qualified to be your neighbor?

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MMC said:

Mornin Conservative. :2wave: Rubio is no hack and is a clear threat to Hillary. He would tear Hillary up in a Debate and while sipping water and gargling with it. :lol:




Hillary drops 10 pts. to GOP field - why?.....


The newest Public Policy Polling (PPP) National Presidential Poll reveals that Clinton's lead against her top conservative contenders has diminished to between 3 and 9 points — down from leading them by 7 to 10 points in its February poll. Just one month earlier in January, a Washington Post poll showed her lead was between 13 and 15 points against her top three rivals at the time (Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney and Rand Paul).

"Even with her advantage over the Republican field on the decline, Clinton is still clearly a stronger candidate than anyone else the Democrats might put forward at this point," PPP asserts. "Clinton leads Scott Walker, who currently leads in our national GOP polling, 46/42. By comparison Joe Biden (46/40) and Elizabeth Warren (43/39) would both trail Walker in hypothetical match ups."

In addition to Walker, two other GOP hopefuls come within four points of Clinton: Marco Rubio trails her just 46/43, and Rand Paul's deficit is 46/42," the PPP poll divulges. "Paul's numbers are interesting. He actually does better than anyone else on his side with independents, leading Clinton by 14 points at 47/33. But the 77 percent of the Republican vote he gets against Clinton is the lowest of any candidate other than Chris Christie.".....snip~

Hillary drops 10 pts. to GOP field - why?


Its like many are saying now.....the longer she is in front of the public. The more her numbers will go down.

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rhinefire said:

His immigration bill will hurt him unless he comes right out and say's "I made a mistake" something neither of the Clintons ever did or ever will. He is Hispanic, young, a very good communicator and speaker so yes I think he will be the running as a very refreshing face of a young America.

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disneydude said:

Because he believes it could propel him to front runner status in 2020 when the GOP has a better shot at taking the whitehouse than they do in 2016

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rocket88 said:

Being the VP nom is hardly ever a springboard. Heard Paul Ryan's name recently? His chances are even worse if he's second fiddle on a winning ticket. Being the VP nominee is a quick ticket to being irrelevant.

GOP's chance is 2016. It's much harder to run against an incumbent, and it's very rare for either party to hold on to the WH after an 8 year run. Last Democrat to do that was Van Buren if I'm not mistaken.

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disneydude said:

Paul Ryan will put his name back in the pot soon enough. I think he is sitting out 2016, waiting for 2020. I think the GOP pretty much figures that with Hillary in the race, they have little shot in 2016, especially without much of a strong field to get a nominee.
....and I disagree with your assessment of VP not being a springboard. Throughout the history of this country it has been a springboard to get the party's nod.

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rocket88 said:

It's never been a springboard. Did we ever have President Hannibal Hamlin? Most VPs never got to be President or even get the nomination. Smart money says Joe Biden doesn't run. Cheney didn't run. FDRs first couple of VPs didn't get to run. History has never had being the VP as a springboard to anything except obscurity. Ask Al Gore.

The GOPs chance is 2016. If you look at history, the party of a two term President very rarely holds on. Ask John McCain.

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disneydude said:

After GWB....there was NO Republican that could win in 2008...it had nothing to do with McCain. As for the rest of your reply....get the party nod doesn't always lead to the whitehouse, but it definitely provided a springboard to Gore to get the nomination....as it did GHB and Mondale. In fact, the only VP in recent years that didn't use it as a springboard was Cheney (Too old and unelectable) and probably Biden.


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rocket88 said:

I think after Obama there's pretty much no Democrat that can win in 2016. That's the way it is for most ruling parties over the years. So being VP puts Rubio in the back seat until 2024 at least. That's not what he's looking for.

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rocket88 said:

I think after Obama there's pretty much no Democrat that can win in 2016. That's the way it is for most ruling parties over the years. So being VP puts Rubio in the back seat until 2024 at least. That's not what he's looking for.

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disneydude said:

That's not even close to being true. GWB had an approval rating of 29%....only the most hard-core of the right-wing stuck with him. Obama hovers right around 45-50%...subtract that hard-cord 29% that Obama is never going to please and you only have about 20% of voters who right now could possibly be voters for a Democratic candidate but are displeased with Obama. That is vastly different than it was in the 2008 election....so your premise is flawed from the start.
As for Rubio, I don't think that realistically he sees himself as a strong enough candidate to get the nomination. Maybe he is hoping for some stumbles, but I still believe he is playing for VP.

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MMC said:

Mornin 88. :2wave: If Rubio doesn't make the grade. Word is, in 2018 he will run for the Governor of Florida.

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rocket88 said:

That sounds believable. More so than hoping to be VP (a downgrade from Senator)

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rocket88 said:

Then what happened every other time throughout history that a party failed to hang on after 8 years? It would be quite the feat for the Democrats to do it, and no matter who the candidate is, it isn't going to be Obama. So his ratings don't necessarily translate.

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disneydude said:

There are a number of factors that play into your scenario....the nation in 2016 is very different than the country was in 1956.

1. Electoral College - With today's changing demographics and the current electoral college it is increasingly more difficult for the GOP to find a path to the whitehouse. The last election made this crystal clear. IF the GOP is ever going to win the whitehouse again, in addition to the solidly red states (that unfortunately for the GOP don't carry many electoral votes), the have to win almost all of the swing states. The Democrats have a huge lead in the electoral college right out of the gate. They can get to 270 in a number of ways, where the GOP can almost make no mistake. There really is no road to 270 for the GOP is they do not carry Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa, Colorado, Pennsylvania and either Florida or Ohio. Additionally, most reports have Texas rapidly moving towards becoming a swing state, probably not by 2016 but possibly in 2020 (due primarily to latino voters). If this happens, the road for the GOP becomes even tougher.

2. No strong GOP contender in 2016. Currently polling shows presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton beating every front runner by double digits. Unless someone emerges from the fold unbattered....this race could be like a Reagan/Mondale or Clinton/Dole right out of the gate

3. The GOP civil war - The race for the GOP nomination is likely to be very ugly. There is no denying that there is a battle for the soul of the GOP going on between the moderate factions and the tea-party right-wing. This is likely to result in a lot of mud-slinging and negative campaigning which will likely result in the eventual nominee being very battle-scarred. If this occurs, the likelihood of the GOP regaining the whitehouse diminishes greatly.

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C- Families know best how to raise their children. They need to be strengthened and have the right to raise their children the way they want.
L- It takes a “village” not a family to raise a child. Families need government help and oversight. Cradle to grave involvement is optimal.

C-Society is composed of individuals to be judged on their individual merit. Values individualism, self-reliance, and independence.
L-Sees society as composed of groups: black vs. white, old vs. young, rich vs. poor, male vs. female. These groups are pitted against each other. Stirs up racial and class envy and division.

C-Individuals are responsible for themselves and their actions. Crime should be punished. Evil exists and good should fight against it.
L-Society is responsible for individuals. Man is inherently good and something causes him to do wrong.
They talk about how we need to change society when someone does wrong. Even terrorists need to be understood.

C-Limit to how much can be taken from people to give to others. Welfare should help people to become independent (not dependent) and given to those truly incapable of taking care of themselves.
L- Supports welfare state. Government is morally justified taking from those that have and giving it to others because people are entitled to basic needs including housing, food, healthcare, income, etc. even if they are able to work.

C- Promotes equal justice.
L- Promotes social justice.

C-Competition is good.
L- Competition is unfair.

C-Supports lower taxes for all because people have a right to what they earn.
L-Supports progressive taxation with high taxes for the rich in an attempt to equalize incomes through redistribution of earnings.

C-Less government is better. Wants only necessary regulation of business, economy, and individual lives, resulting in more freedom.
L-More government is better. Many regulations are necessary to achieve a more fair & just society which is government’s primary role, resulting in less freedom.

C-Limited federal government with more power given to state and local governments.
L-Powerful centralized federal government with limited state and local control.

C-People and property rights are more important than environment. Supports conservation and development and use of our natural resources along with the development of green technology by private enterprise and when it is economically feasible and self-sustaining. Opposes cap and trade due to its high cost and negative impact on our businesses and way of life.
L-Environment more important than people and property rights. Supports rationing and limiting access to natural resources. Focuses on green technology subsidized by the government. Supports cap and trade to redistribute and control energy usage.

C-Wealth is good. All have an opportunity to be wealthy (The American dream). Creates a better life for all through entrepreneurship.
L-Wealth is bad and unfair. Promotes class warfare.

C-Equal opportunity without discrimination. Recognizes people make different choices with what they have and that it isn't government's role to make things fair. Doesn’t seek equal outcomes.
L-Equal results through such things as quotas, free college, and equal pay for unequal work. Government has to level the playing field in order to have equal opportunity. Seeks equal outcomes.

C- Supports healthcare reform that gives consumers choices.
L - Supports government takecover of healthcare and limiting of consumers' choices.

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C-Judicial restraint with strict interpretation of laws according to the Constitution and original intent.
L-Judicial activism: enacting social policy changes via court rulings. Constitution is seen as outdated and in need of change.

C-Free market economy.
L-Government regulation of economy.

C -Free market creates jobs.
L -Government creates jobs.

C-Business is good: creates jobs & improves lives. Let free market supply and demand adjust practices and employers and employees determine wages/benefits.
L-Business is evil: out to exploit employees, environment, and consumers. Needs to be regulated to protect consumers, employees, and the environment. Government regulates employee benefits.

C-Traditional morality including traditional family and values. Absolute standards of right and wrong. Absolute truth. Sees standing against wrong as a moral duty.
L-Tolerance of all lifestyles & beliefs except those that hold views they consider to be intolerant. No absolute standards of right and wrong. Moral relativism.

C-Right to free speech must be supported even if it offends.
L-Right to free speech is limited to speech that does not offend. (Political correctness)

C-Peace through strength via a strong military.
L - Peace through appeasement, cooperation, and understanding others' views. Dislikes showing and exercising strength.

C-Supports a missile defense system.
L-Opposes a missile defense system.

C-American sovereignty comes before globalism.
L-Globalism comes before American sovereignty.

C-Sees America as good: the best hope for the world. Believes in American exceptionalism.
L-Sees America as flawed: racist, homophobic, imperialistic, sexist, ageist and no better than other countries.

C-Western cultures are superior to others without rights, freedom, and respect for life.
L-All cultures are equal. Can’t pass judgment on any even if they don’t value freedom, rights, and life.

C-God is a necessary part of a moral society. Religion makes people good when they know they have to answer to God.
L-State is secular (without God and hostile to Christianity). Seeks to eliminate references of God through separation of church and state.

C-Rights emphasized: Freedom, Parental, Property, Religious, Guns, Life.
L-Rights emphasized: Civil, Privacy, Secularism, Reproductive.

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Conservative said:

Yes, the media will once again play a major role and convince those incapable of doing any research that life is much worse than it is and ignoring that Democrats have been in control for the past 6 years making things actually worse. The same thing happened in 1992 when we have 4+% GDP growth in the fourth quarter during the election and yet the people voted for Clinton. Then again in 2008 when we were coming out of recession yet the people and the ignorant voters selected a totally unqualified individual in Obama for the WH. One should never underestimate the ignorance of the leftwing base when it comes to elections and unfortunately there are enough in that category to sway most elections. Big cities are Democrat strongholds and they normally generate enough vote buying to get the Electoral college vote.

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Conservative said:

Seems we are going to have another classic battle between liberals and conservatives. The following is a comparison that I welcome anyone to tear apart. If Rubio is the candidate on the Republican Ticket he will have my support because he has shown he is the better alternative based upon most of these principles.

Conservatism Vs. Liberalism - Home

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disneydude said:

From your rant here, it is clear that you have about as much clue about the electoral college as you do about economics. Ah yes.....the all powerful media that magically sways the elections in favor of the Democrats. Maybe one day you will wake up Con and realize that perhaps the ignorant and uneducated voters are people such as yourself.....but I doubt that is ever going to happen.

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