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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That's not even close to being true. GWB had an approval rating of 29%....only the most hard-core of the right-wing stuck with him. Obama hovers right around 45-50%...subtract that hard-cord 29% that Obama is never going to please and you only have about 20% of voters who right now could possibly be voters for a Democratic candidate but are displeased with Obama. That is vastly different than it was in the 2008 election....so your premise is flawed from the start.
    As for Rubio, I don't think that realistically he sees himself as a strong enough candidate to get the nomination. Maybe he is hoping for some stumbles, but I still believe he is playing for VP.
    Then what happened every other time throughout history that a party failed to hang on after 8 years? It would be quite the feat for the Democrats to do it, and no matter who the candidate is, it isn't going to be Obama. So his ratings don't necessarily translate.


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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin 88. If Rubio doesn't make the grade. Word is, in 2018 he will run for the Governor of Florida.
    That sounds believable. More so than hoping to be VP (a downgrade from Senator)


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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That sounds believable. More so than hoping to be VP (a downgrade from Senator)
    VP doesn't have the electoral cachet that it used to, but it might help a relatively young guy like Rubio take the next step more than another Senate term.
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Then what happened every other time throughout history that a party failed to hang on after 8 years? It would be quite the feat for the Democrats to do it, and no matter who the candidate is, it isn't going to be Obama. So his ratings don't necessarily translate.
    There are a number of factors that play into your scenario....the nation in 2016 is very different than the country was in 1956.

    1. Electoral College - With today's changing demographics and the current electoral college it is increasingly more difficult for the GOP to find a path to the whitehouse. The last election made this crystal clear. IF the GOP is ever going to win the whitehouse again, in addition to the solidly red states (that unfortunately for the GOP don't carry many electoral votes), the have to win almost all of the swing states. The Democrats have a huge lead in the electoral college right out of the gate. They can get to 270 in a number of ways, where the GOP can almost make no mistake. There really is no road to 270 for the GOP is they do not carry Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa, Colorado, Pennsylvania and either Florida or Ohio. Additionally, most reports have Texas rapidly moving towards becoming a swing state, probably not by 2016 but possibly in 2020 (due primarily to latino voters). If this happens, the road for the GOP becomes even tougher.

    2. No strong GOP contender in 2016. Currently polling shows presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton beating every front runner by double digits. Unless someone emerges from the fold unbattered....this race could be like a Reagan/Mondale or Clinton/Dole right out of the gate

    3. The GOP civil war - The race for the GOP nomination is likely to be very ugly. There is no denying that there is a battle for the soul of the GOP going on between the moderate factions and the tea-party right-wing. This is likely to result in a lot of mud-slinging and negative campaigning which will likely result in the eventual nominee being very battle-scarred. If this occurs, the likelihood of the GOP regaining the whitehouse diminishes greatly.

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There are a number of factors that play into your scenario....the nation in 2016 is very different than the country was in 1956.

    1. Electoral College - With today's changing demographics and the current electoral college it is increasingly more difficult for the GOP to find a path to the whitehouse. The last election made this crystal clear. IF the GOP is ever going to win the whitehouse again, in addition to the solidly red states (that unfortunately for the GOP don't carry many electoral votes), the have to win almost all of the swing states. The Democrats have a huge lead in the electoral college right out of the gate. They can get to 270 in a number of ways, where the GOP can almost make no mistake. There really is no road to 270 for the GOP is they do not carry Virginia, North Carolina, Iowa, Colorado, Pennsylvania and either Florida or Ohio. Additionally, most reports have Texas rapidly moving towards becoming a swing state, probably not by 2016 but possibly in 2020 (due primarily to latino voters). If this happens, the road for the GOP becomes even tougher.

    2. No strong GOP contender in 2016. Currently polling shows presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton beating every front runner by double digits. Unless someone emerges from the fold unbattered....this race could be like a Reagan/Mondale or Clinton/Dole right out of the gate

    3. The GOP civil war - The race for the GOP nomination is likely to be very ugly. There is no denying that there is a battle for the soul of the GOP going on between the moderate factions and the tea-party right-wing. This is likely to result in a lot of mud-slinging and negative campaigning which will likely result in the eventual nominee being very battle-scarred. If this occurs, the likelihood of the GOP regaining the whitehouse diminishes greatly.
    Yes, the media will once again play a major role and convince those incapable of doing any research that life is much worse than it is and ignoring that Democrats have been in control for the past 6 years making things actually worse. The same thing happened in 1992 when we have 4+% GDP growth in the fourth quarter during the election and yet the people voted for Clinton. Then again in 2008 when we were coming out of recession yet the people and the ignorant voters selected a totally unqualified individual in Obama for the WH. One should never underestimate the ignorance of the leftwing base when it comes to elections and unfortunately there are enough in that category to sway most elections. Big cities are Democrat strongholds and they normally generate enough vote buying to get the Electoral college vote.

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Seems we are going to have another classic battle between liberals and conservatives. The following is a comparison that I welcome anyone to tear apart. If Rubio is the candidate on the Republican Ticket he will have my support because he has shown he is the better alternative based upon most of these principles.

    Conservatism Vs. Liberalism - Home

    C- Families know best how to raise their children. They need to be strengthened and have the right to raise their children the way they want.
    L- It takes a “village” not a family to raise a child. Families need government help and oversight. Cradle to grave involvement is optimal.

    C-Society is composed of individuals to be judged on their individual merit. Values individualism, self-reliance, and independence.
    L-Sees society as composed of groups: black vs. white, old vs. young, rich vs. poor, male vs. female. These groups are pitted against each other. Stirs up racial and class envy and division.

    C-Individuals are responsible for themselves and their actions. Crime should be punished. Evil exists and good should fight against it.
    L-Society is responsible for individuals. Man is inherently good and something causes him to do wrong.
    They talk about how we need to change society when someone does wrong. Even terrorists need to be understood.

    C-Limit to how much can be taken from people to give to others. Welfare should help people to become independent (not dependent) and given to those truly incapable of taking care of themselves.
    L- Supports welfare state. Government is morally justified taking from those that have and giving it to others because people are entitled to basic needs including housing, food, healthcare, income, etc. even if they are able to work.

    C- Promotes equal justice.
    L- Promotes social justice.

    C-Competition is good.
    L- Competition is unfair.

    C-Supports lower taxes for all because people have a right to what they earn.
    L-Supports progressive taxation with high taxes for the rich in an attempt to equalize incomes through redistribution of earnings.

    C-Less government is better. Wants only necessary regulation of business, economy, and individual lives, resulting in more freedom.
    L-More government is better. Many regulations are necessary to achieve a more fair & just society which is government’s primary role, resulting in less freedom.

    C-Limited federal government with more power given to state and local governments.
    L-Powerful centralized federal government with limited state and local control.

    C-People and property rights are more important than environment. Supports conservation and development and use of our natural resources along with the development of green technology by private enterprise and when it is economically feasible and self-sustaining. Opposes cap and trade due to its high cost and negative impact on our businesses and way of life.
    L-Environment more important than people and property rights. Supports rationing and limiting access to natural resources. Focuses on green technology subsidized by the government. Supports cap and trade to redistribute and control energy usage.

    C-Wealth is good. All have an opportunity to be wealthy (The American dream). Creates a better life for all through entrepreneurship.
    L-Wealth is bad and unfair. Promotes class warfare.

    C-Equal opportunity without discrimination. Recognizes people make different choices with what they have and that it isn't government's role to make things fair. Doesn’t seek equal outcomes.
    L-Equal results through such things as quotas, free college, and equal pay for unequal work. Government has to level the playing field in order to have equal opportunity. Seeks equal outcomes.

    C- Supports healthcare reform that gives consumers choices.
    L - Supports government takecover of healthcare and limiting of consumers' choices.

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    C-Judicial restraint with strict interpretation of laws according to the Constitution and original intent.
    L-Judicial activism: enacting social policy changes via court rulings. Constitution is seen as outdated and in need of change.

    C-Free market economy.
    L-Government regulation of economy.

    C -Free market creates jobs.
    L -Government creates jobs.

    C-Business is good: creates jobs & improves lives. Let free market supply and demand adjust practices and employers and employees determine wages/benefits.
    L-Business is evil: out to exploit employees, environment, and consumers. Needs to be regulated to protect consumers, employees, and the environment. Government regulates employee benefits.

    C-Traditional morality including traditional family and values. Absolute standards of right and wrong. Absolute truth. Sees standing against wrong as a moral duty.
    L-Tolerance of all lifestyles & beliefs except those that hold views they consider to be intolerant. No absolute standards of right and wrong. Moral relativism.

    C-Right to free speech must be supported even if it offends.
    L-Right to free speech is limited to speech that does not offend. (Political correctness)

    C-Peace through strength via a strong military.
    L - Peace through appeasement, cooperation, and understanding others' views. Dislikes showing and exercising strength.

    C-Supports a missile defense system.
    L-Opposes a missile defense system.

    C-American sovereignty comes before globalism.
    L-Globalism comes before American sovereignty.

    C-Sees America as good: the best hope for the world. Believes in American exceptionalism.
    L-Sees America as flawed: racist, homophobic, imperialistic, sexist, ageist and no better than other countries.

    C-Western cultures are superior to others without rights, freedom, and respect for life.
    L-All cultures are equal. Can’t pass judgment on any even if they don’t value freedom, rights, and life.

    C-God is a necessary part of a moral society. Religion makes people good when they know they have to answer to God.
    L-State is secular (without God and hostile to Christianity). Seeks to eliminate references of God through separation of church and state.

    C-Rights emphasized: Freedom, Parental, Property, Religious, Guns, Life.
    L-Rights emphasized: Civil, Privacy, Secularism, Reproductive.

    Liberalism (progressivism) wants to pull us further towards a welfare state with an ever-expanding web of social entitlements and more federal power and control over every aspect of our lives. Liberalism sees a nation of people incapable of solving their problems without the government’s help.

    Conservatism believes a powerful federal government limits personal freedom. It seeks to stop the growing entitlement programs, encourage individual responsibility, and return Constitutionally mandated power to the states. Conservatism sees a nation of people capable of solving their own problems with minimal government help, as long as the people are free.

    The Republican Party's platform is primarily Conservative and the Democratic Party's platform is primarily Liberal. This does not mean that every Republican is a conservative or that every Democrat is a liberal. However, if you watch the stands the parties take on issues, you will see that the Republican Party is more conservative and the Democratic Party is more liberal in their stands on issues and policies and the direction they want to take us.

    If you are still unclear as to what the differences between the philosophies are consider this:

    If either Party or philosophy held all 100 US Senators, all 435 Congressmen and the President for 10 years, what would our nation be like if Conservatives held them compared to what would it be like if the Liberals held them?

    I propose to you that we would have two entirely different nations.
    It is truly a time for choosing. Which nation do you want?

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, the media will once again play a major role and convince those incapable of doing any research that life is much worse than it is and ignoring that Democrats have been in control for the past 6 years making things actually worse. The same thing happened in 1992 when we have 4+% GDP growth in the fourth quarter during the election and yet the people voted for Clinton. Then again in 2008 when we were coming out of recession yet the people and the ignorant voters selected a totally unqualified individual in Obama for the WH. One should never underestimate the ignorance of the leftwing base when it comes to elections and unfortunately there are enough in that category to sway most elections. Big cities are Democrat strongholds and they normally generate enough vote buying to get the Electoral college vote.
    From your rant here, it is clear that you have about as much clue about the electoral college as you do about economics. Ah yes.....the all powerful media that magically sways the elections in favor of the Democrats. Maybe one day you will wake up Con and realize that perhaps the ignorant and uneducated voters are people such as yourself.....but I doubt that is ever going to happen.

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Seems we are going to have another classic battle between liberals and conservatives. The following is a comparison that I welcome anyone to tear apart. If Rubio is the candidate on the Republican Ticket he will have my support because he has shown he is the better alternative based upon most of these principles.

    Conservatism Vs. Liberalism - Home
    LOL....this is on the level of Navy Pride Rubbish. You don't even need to get beyond #1 to see that this is plain and simply crap. Where did you pull this one up....some right-wing chain mail propoganda site? Too funny.

    This appears to be the source of your chainmail : http://www.changemyrelationship.com/about-karla/ Considering that you worship some guy name Gruber...it doesn't surprise me that you would willy-nilly latch on to this woman's opinions as well. Par for the course.
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    From your rant here, it is clear that you have about as much clue about the electoral college as you do about economics. Ah yes.....the all powerful media that magically sways the elections in favor of the Democrats. Maybe one day you will wake up Con and realize that perhaps the ignorant and uneducated voters are people such as yourself.....but I doubt that is ever going to happen.
    Do you understand where the population is located in California? Ever looked at the election results by county? I stand by my statement, the larger metropolitan areas are democrat controlled, bought, and paid for even in your state. The election map of California is mostly red except for LA, San Francisco and parts of San Diego. Your ignorance is staggering.

    2012 Presidential Election Results - The Washington Post

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