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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh yeah, and his wife is a Former Miami Dolphins Cheerleader. .....
    Well, that about seals it for me.
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    You said that because Hillary stayed with a cheater, has a friend who was in a similar situation, she is 'not a swell choice to have as a potential first president.'
    You couldn't even quote me accurately. geesh

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    I think Hillary's 'baggage' won't hurt her much in the grand scheme of things. Long ago most of the Democrats set the bar very low for what qualities they expected of their leaders. All they require is that the candidate say the right stuff and have a "D" after his or her name, and his/her lack of experience, poor track record, contradictions, questionable ethics or morals are deemed unimportant and will be shrugged off or actually defended.

    But any flaw like that in the GOP candidate is magnified many times over and made to be of huge importance.

    It doesn't help that most of the mainstream media are supporters of whoever is the Democratic candidate and they tend to inflate GOP flaws and minimalize Democratic ones.

    Because most of the Republicans are less committed to brand and more interested in the qualities a candidate can offer, they dilute the field and we are prone to nominate candidates who are imminently qualified but who lack the aesthetic appeal to win. I hope we do better at choosing somebody who is both qualified and electable in this election cycle.

    We picked somebody who is probably more qualified to be President than anybody elected in the past 100 years with Romney. I want to cry when I think how much better off we would be now if he was in the White House instead of Obama. Even John McCain, who I had to really REALLY hold my nose to vote for in 2008, would have been way left of anything most of us want and would have been extremely frustrating I think, but he would have done far less damage.

    So is Rubio the right guy? I'm not feeling it at this point, but he hasn't had a chance to make his case yet. I think he is likely still too young and likely does not have the connections to pull in a strong team to work with him. Ted Cruz does--not sure about Rand Paul--but regardless of whatever negatives we might see, both have demonstrated leadership skills that suggest they would be better choices at this point. I haven't picked my favorite yet though and that favorite is likely to be somebody different than those three names.

    I don't know if Rubio is that person.
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Was there a segue in my OP to this post? Is there some reason you think I don't know who I'm voting for?
    My post wasn't directed at you in particular. I just used your post as an opening for mine regarding Rubio and the normal and inevitable partisan blinders that are rife in threads about politicians running for X political position. More often than not most people don't care to research the people that are running for any given position. They just vote according to the letter placed in front of X politicians name. If none of this applies to you then you may certainly ignore my post.
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    No, you said I said something I didn't say, pretended I did, and now you're just going in circles. Anything else?
    Give it a break. You've been busy claiming the right views Bill as a victim throughout the past several pages. Move along now and pretend you didn't say something else you surely did.

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So if they vote on values and issues, the nominating an Hispanic running mate would be irrelevant.

    I've been interested in and volunteering in politics for almost 30 years. I never knew of a candidate who won because of his VP pick. But if it makes you feel better posting this early about the pick Hillary hasn't even made yet, I'll play along.
    While it is true that generally a VP pick does not vastly influence the Presidential election, don't fool yourself that it can't. You need look no further than McCain's "hail mary" Palin pick. Obviously people who are professional political strategists believed that it was possible that the VP pick might help McCain. It remains subject to debate whether Palin helped or hurt McCain. The thing with Hillary is that she is going to energize a number of voters...a pick in the vein of someone like Biden/Cheney/Lieberman....is probably not going to do anything to bolster her campaign....but pick a young vibrant successful latino former mayor now serving in the cabinet...and he adds a fresh young element that fits well with Hillary. I don't have any real insight into who Hillary will pick. I'm sure that a lot can change between now and election day. But personally, I think a Hillary/Castro ticket would be virtually unstoppable.

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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I think Hillary's 'baggage' won't hurt her much in the grand scheme of things. Long ago most of the Democrats set the bar very low for what qualities they expected of their leaders. All they require is that the candidate say the right stuff and have a "D" after his or her name, and his/her lack of experience, poor track record, contradictions, questionable ethics or morals are deemed unimportant and will be shrugged off or actually defended.

    But any flaw like that in the GOP candidate is magnified many times over and made to be of huge importance.

    It doesn't help that most of the mainstream media are supporters of whoever is the Democratic candidate and they tend to inflate GOP flaws and minimalize Democratic ones.

    Because most of the Republicans are less committed to brand and more interested in the qualities a candidate can offer, they dilute the field and we are prone to nominate candidates who are imminently qualified but who lack the aesthetic appeal to win. I hope we do better at choosing somebody who is both qualified and electable in this election cycle.

    We picked somebody who is probably more qualified to be President than anybody elected in the past 100 years with Romney. I want to cry when I think how much better off we would be now if he was in the White House instead of Obama. Even John McCain, who I had to really REALLY hold my nose to vote for in 2008, would have been way left of anything most of us want and would have been extremely frustrating I think, but he would have done far less damage.

    So is Rubio the right guy? I'm not feeling it at this point, but he hasn't had a chance to make his case yet. I think he is likely still too young and likely does not have the connections to pull in a strong team to work with him. Ted Cruz does--not sure about Rand Paul--but regardless of whatever negatives we might see, both have demonstrated leadership skills that suggest they would be better choices at this point. I haven't picked my favorite yet though and that favorite is likely to be somebody different than those three names.

    I don't know if Rubio is that person.


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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

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    While I've never been an advocate of charter schools nor school voucher programs, I'm slowly starting to warm to the idea. Choice and competition, right? Give me a better choice w/the incentive - better teachers - to truly educate my child at an affordable price and I'm there.
    A voucher system opens up the school of your choice and when selecting a choice of schools you are going to be looking for results of a certain school. The only reason this is rejected by the left is because of pandering to the unions. The left is pandering to the unions over the needs of a good education for the students. You would think the left would want the best for their children's education. But the union vote trumps a students education.
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    A voucher system opens up the school of your choice and when selecting a choice of schools you are going to be looking for results of a certain school. The only reason this is rejected by the left is because of pandering to the unions. The left is pandering to the unions over the needs of a good education for the students. You would think the left would want the best for their children's education. But the union vote trumps a students education.
    I think the issue goes beyond school unions. It's more about access to affordable education. Right now, our public school system is available to all comers. The fear is that charter schools or a school voucher program will pull kids from public schools leaving those who can't afford to make the transition behind. That IS a problem for society as a whole. Look at where we are today with so many students coming out of college unprepared to meet the demands of the labor force today. Same could be said of students graduating from high school unprepared for college.

    There's a lot that goes into this one issue of educating our children, but I'm beginning to see that there are benefits to charter schools and/or voucher programs that if done right could change the way our education system works and leave no child behind.

    But let's table this debate for another time, another thread and turn the discussion back over to Sen. Marco Rubio: Is he ready to be the next POTUS?

    Let the discussion continue...
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    Re: Rubio tells donors he is running for White House

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    While it is true that generally a VP pick does not vastly influence the Presidential election, don't fool yourself that it can't. You need look no further than McCain's "hail mary" Palin pick. Obviously people who are professional political strategists believed that it was possible that the VP pick might help McCain. It remains subject to debate whether Palin helped or hurt McCain. The thing with Hillary is that she is going to energize a number of voters...a pick in the vein of someone like Biden/Cheney/Lieberman....is probably not going to do anything to bolster her campaign....but pick a young vibrant successful latino former mayor now serving in the cabinet...and he adds a fresh young element that fits well with Hillary. I don't have any real insight into who Hillary will pick. I'm sure that a lot can change between now and election day. But personally, I think a Hillary/Castro ticket would be virtually unstoppable.
    I think the jury is still out on what the net result of Palin actually was. She brought in votes he wouldn't have gotten, and she lost votes he would have gotten. They will be analyzing that for years but I doubt we'll ever know what the net-net was.

    I'm curious. What is about a "woman/Latino" combination that says "great administration" exactly? I would vote for a woman (the right one) and I would vote for a Latino (the right one) but not because of that.
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