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    Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Deal.....what deal says some States. Looks like Team BO and the Fed will have an issue with some states when it comes to removing sanctions. What do you think of Kansas and Mississippi looking to put new sanctions on Iran? What say ye?



    As the United States and Iran come closer to a historic nuclear deal, many U.S. states are likely to stick with their own sanctions on Iran that could complicate any warming of relations between the long-time foes.

    In a little known aspect of Iran's international isolation, around two dozen states have enacted measures punishing companies operating in certain sectors of its economy, directing public pension funds with billions of dollars in assets to divest from the firms and sometimes barring them from public contracts. In more than half those states, the restrictions expire only if Iran is no longer designated to be supporting terrorism or if all U.S. federal sanctions against Iran are lifted - unlikely outcomes even in the case of a final nuclear accord. Two states, Kansas and Mississippi, are even considering new sanctions targeting the country.

    The prospect of unwavering sanctions at the state level, or new ones, just as the federal government reaches a landmark agreement with Iran risks widening a divide between states and the federal government on a crucial foreign policy issue. Though U.S. states have often coordinated their measures with federal sanctions on Iran, their divestment actions sometimes take a tougher line on foreign firms with Iran links than is the case under federal policy.....snip~

    Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran | Reuters

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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What say ye?
    I say it is outright amazing that Republicans, who generally favor trade with just about anyone, are willing to restrict trade because of a pending "deal" that their political counterparts are negotiating. Then enter Kansas and Mississippi looking for "new sanctions on Iran," and we seal the debate here on Republican political will over Republican economics.

    How far this is going drives the point home on how far a political ideology is willing to go to stay as adversarial as possible.

    I look at this in similar context to how I look at the States that have, or are trying, to ban government employees from saying "global warming" or "climate change." We are going to look extremely foolish down the road for making these purposefully combative State laws vs. Federal actions just because of the (D) or (R) behind someone's name.

    Come to think of it, what this really drives home is how far removed from reality politicians are. We say all day long that we do not like elements of the "deal" with Iran but doing this just screams political uselessness. In this case we are talking about a framework for a "deal" not yet signed but Republicans, and these States, are trying to submarine before the fact.

    Am I the only one that thinks politicians are going bat **** crazy the further we go?
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    So, it pretty much only looks to be limited to state pension funds - eh?
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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I say it is outright amazing that Republicans, who generally favor trade with just about anyone, are willing to restrict trade because of a pending "deal" that their political counterparts are negotiating. Then enter Kansas and Mississippi looking for "new sanctions on Iran," and we seal the debate here on Republican political will over Republican economics.

    How far this is going drives the point home on how far a political ideology is willing to go to stay as adversarial as possible.

    I look at this in similar context to how I look at the States that have, or are trying, to ban government employees from saying "global warming" or "climate change." We are going to look extremely foolish down the road for making these purposefully combative State laws vs. Federal actions just because of the (D) or (R) behind someone's name.

    Come to think of it, what this really drives home is how far removed from reality politicians are. We say all day long that we do not like elements of the "deal" with Iran but doing this just screams political uselessness. In this case we are talking about a framework for a "deal" not yet signed but Republicans, and these States, are trying to submarine before the fact.

    Am I the only one that thinks politicians are going bat **** crazy the further we go?


    Mornin OS. What about the issue of Iran being on the list for sponsoring Terrorism. Wouldn't they being breaking the Federal Law, doing business with Iran?

    I was wondering how Kansas and Mississippi could come up with their own sanctions over FP?

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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Deal.....what deal says some States. Looks like Team BO and the Fed will have an issue with some states when it comes to removing sanctions. What do you think of Kansas and Mississippi looking to put new sanctions on Iran? What say ye?
    Good morning MMC,

    In my view this is the type of action you get when you have a President who basically says I don't give a **** what anyone else thinks or wants, I'm just going to bull ahead and do what I want. It's not just Obama - I've seen it in politics here in Canada as well. When one person tries to determine all that is right or all that will be done, those that also have a role, a role that is being undermined and belittled, get their backs up and fight back any way they can. It's human nature.

    It's also funny that Obama makes a big show of wanting to negotiate and work with America's long standing enemies but he hasn't a ****ing clue how to negotiate and work with his own political enemies.
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    Kansas "putting sanctions" on Iran
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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Deal.....what deal says some States. Looks like Team BO and the Fed will have an issue with some states when it comes to removing sanctions. What do you think of Kansas and Mississippi looking to put new sanctions on Iran? What say ye?



    As the United States and Iran come closer to a historic nuclear deal, many U.S. states are likely to stick with their own sanctions on Iran that could complicate any warming of relations between the long-time foes.

    In a little known aspect of Iran's international isolation, around two dozen states have enacted measures punishing companies operating in certain sectors of its economy, directing public pension funds with billions of dollars in assets to divest from the firms and sometimes barring them from public contracts. In more than half those states, the restrictions expire only if Iran is no longer designated to be supporting terrorism or if all U.S. federal sanctions against Iran are lifted - unlikely outcomes even in the case of a final nuclear accord. Two states, Kansas and Mississippi, are even considering new sanctions targeting the country.

    The prospect of unwavering sanctions at the state level, or new ones, just as the federal government reaches a landmark agreement with Iran risks widening a divide between states and the federal government on a crucial foreign policy issue. Though U.S. states have often coordinated their measures with federal sanctions on Iran, their divestment actions sometimes take a tougher line on foreign firms with Iran links than is the case under federal policy.....snip~

    Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran | Reuters
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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin OS. What about the issue of Iran being on the list for sponsoring Terrorism. Wouldn't they being breaking the Federal Law, doing business with Iran?
    The issue is absolutes in the mist of a foreign policy that is filled with anything but absolutes. Technically speaking so long as Iran is listed as sponsoring "terrorism" as defined we should not be negotiating a deal with this in the first place.

    As to not derail the conversation on this "deal" ending up as Executive Action vs. Senate approved Treaty, lets assume for a moment that Obama's deal through whatever means ends up so. For sanctions to be lifted under this deal, we also have to assume it would all sidestep Federal Law on deals with nations that support Terrorism.

    If you recall, just last month, Iran and Hezbollah were both recently omitted from the "Terror Threat List." Just in time to start talking to Iran about this framework for a deal. Therefor this issue may already be resolved from Obama's point of view putting more strain on Congress and Treaty process vs. Federal Law on dealing with State sponsored terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I was wondering how Kansas and Mississippi could come up with their own sanctions over FP?
    Honestly I do not know, but we can safely assume that how far these States are willing to go means further opening the door to legal challenge. And odds are they will lose.
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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Kansas "putting sanctions" on Iran
    Agreed, this effort seems extremely foolish in both concept and expectation of meaningful impact.
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    Re: Deal or not, many U.S. states will keep sanctions grip on Iran.....

    Forums poster Deuce also has sanctions on Iran.

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