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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    Israel is led by a man whom Sarkozy has accused of being an unbearable liar. Israel would bomb the facility, lie and say it was being used for military purposes.
    Exactly, and Iran has every reason to believe that would happen.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No but I would say as a whole for the past 50 years or so most Western countries have not been looking for a fight for acting aggressive to its direct neighbours.
    I don't know if a British diplomat has ever admitted to recent nefarious British activity, but we have folk here all the time that acknowledge the hypocrisy of Washington. But the patronizing Americans will continue to peddle that bull **** that Iran, a fraction of what the US is, in every conceivable way, is the biggest exporter of terrorism. We have to put up with this bull**** right here, on this board.

    The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan – Lt. General William Odom – noted:

    Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

    Odom also said:

    By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    Why not apply the same level of scrutiny and punishment for violations to ALL countries in the Region.
    I'd rather not engage in thread hijacking. This thread is about Russia sending S-300 missile systems to Iran and that's what I address in this thread.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If there's any other underground facilities in Iran or anywhere else for that matter, they must be secret.
    You can't point to another exemplar then. Didn't think so.

    I'd like a good P5+5 deal worked out also. I have no idea why you ignore Iran's recent unsavory history with the IAEA.

    Secreting undeclared nuclear facilities from the IAEA (for whatever reason) is a NPT violation.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    I'd rather not engage in thread hijacking. This thread is about Russia sending S-300 missile systems to Iran and that's what I address in this thread.
    Russia is a weapons dealer of sufficient size to justify independent scrutiny. Also in light of the mischief Russia has been up to in various other situations it is Russian behavior that is becoming a real and present danger not withstanding the activities of others.
    I agree.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    You can't point to another exemplar then. Didn't think so.

    I'd like a good P5+5 deal worked out also. I have no idea why you ignore Iran's recent unsavory history with the IAEA.

    Secreting undeclared nuclear facilities from the IAEA (for whatever reason) is a NPT violation.
    This is where I see maybe the most difficult point for an eventual deal. The IAEA must be allowed to roam freely and have access to all documents to be able to report believably. Iran has thusfar not only prevented even modestly honest inspection, it has never been at all hones, as far as we know.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    This is where I see maybe the most difficult point for an eventual deal. The IAEA must be allowed to roam freely and have access to all documents to be able to report believably. Iran has thusfar not only prevented even modestly honest inspection, it has never been at all hones, as far as we know.
    No sovereign country would allow the IAEA to have the capability to roam freely. To think such is ridiculous.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    No sovereign country would allow the IAEA to have the capability to roam freely. To think such is ridiculous.
    Why? If they have nothing to hide but can rejoin the international community? Let their people become rich? Why shouldn't they? What exactly do you think they stand to lose? Don't IAEA inspectors inspect in the US?

    PS: you might want to read up on what the IAEA does and how it works.
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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why? If they have nothing to hide but can rejoin the international community? Let their people become rich? Why shouldn't they? What exactly do you think they stand to lose? Don't IAEA inspectors inspect in the US?

    PS: you might want to read up on what the IAEA does and how it works.
    Would Israel let the IAEA wander freely in that way? In case you don't know, the answer is no.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    You can't point to another exemplar then. Didn't think so.

    I'd like a good P5+5 deal worked out also. I have no idea why you ignore Iran's recent unsavory history with the IAEA.

    Secreting undeclared nuclear facilities from the IAEA (for whatever reason) is a NPT violation.
    Do you understand what secrets means, hmm? I haven't ignored the fact that Iran hid anything from the IAEA. Do you think the US has never violated a treaty? If you can at least acknowledge my point, it would be good for further debate. Iran doesn't trust Israel, for good reason.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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