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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Russia needs oil?
    Russia seeks geopolitical influence. Its quest to be a "first mover" is aimed at expanding its sphere of influence in the Middle East. A deepening Iran-Russia relationship would have balance-of-power implications that would, at a minimum, raise the costs of efforts by the U.S. to ensure that Iran does not gain regional hegemony.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Iran already has S300s. If it didn't, Israel would've attacked Iran by now.

    I think you're right in that Iran some of the hardware for the S300s but don't think that they are fully operational to the same extent that the ones in Russia are. Also, I don't think that Iranian personnel have been fully trained and the systems are running at a fully operational level.

    Also, I can think of many reasons Israel hasn't attacked Iran:

    1. They're not convinced that they can get the US to do all the "Heavy Lifting" this time & neuter Iran to Israel's satisfaction as with Iraq. However, they've been launching "False Flag" attacks on the US & its bases to deceive the US into fighting Wars for them since The Lavon Affaire".

    2. Roughly 2/3 of Americans oppose War with Iran. Meanwhile, US support for Israel was falling prior to Netanyahu's speech before Congress, now it's lower but still significant.

    3. The Israelis are quietly operating under another plan to contain Iran & share Regional Hegemony with US Ziono-Cons (see Oded Yinon Plan)

    4. Israeli Military & Intelligence oppose attacking Iran:

    “Former Mossad chief: Israel air strike on Iran 'stupidest thing I have ever heard'
    Former Mossad chief: Israel air strike on Iran 'stupidest thing I have ever heard' - Israel News | Haaretz

    5. "Fear of the Unknown"; IDF is still trying to figure out the surprises they encountered from being routed after their murderous foray into S. Lebanon in '06


    An attack on Iran would be cataclysmic at best. Pray for cool heads



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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Excellent observations.

    They bought image over substance and believed a dream concocted by a snake oil salesman. "The One" had come, thank you fat lady.

    No one asked "how much will this cost" because it was "free". Yes, forewarned indeed. I recall an op ed in the New York Times by a Canadian economist teaching at Harvard saying much of what has been said, and no one took notice even when published by the most liberal paper in the country. I recall more than a few world class health economists state outright the kind of reality you now face with premiums and yet-to-be-revealed "mandates" or what we call a hidden tax.

    Yep, forewarned. And you know what? The whole show has a chance of repeating itself. I mean Hillary is no more and likely less competent than Obama, if she wins somehow will have congress against her, so she will have no alternative for a second term than spending more to buy votes. At $1.8 a minute I may very well live to see the country bankrupted.
    Yeah, but the Fed. Gov. has so much land and office buildings it needs to sell, I think they could probably make it out of bankruptcy, and being in bankcruptcy, the cost of borrowing will increase to the point where the fed gov just can't afford it, so that would be a step in the right direction, I mean getting the borrowing under control, because frankly, that's what it would appear to take to accomplish that, not because I'd like to see it. I'd much rather have them curb their borrowing on their own accord, but it just doesn't seem to be happening.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Russia seeks geopolitical influence. Its quest to be a "first mover" is aimed at expanding its sphere of influence in the Middle East. A deepening Iran-Russia relationship would have balance-of-power implications that would, at a minimum, raise the costs of efforts by the U.S. to ensure that Iran does not gain regional hegemony.
    I'd expect a greater Saudi / US and Saudi / West cooperation / collaboration as a counter to this. Seems we are back to the old Cold War games again. But then, I'm sure that's where Putin feels most comfortable, driven there by his instincts. SO much for the 'Rest Button'. What a ****ing disaster!
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yeah, but the Fed. Gov. has so much land and office buildings it needs to sell, I think they could probably make it out of bankruptcy, and being in bankcruptcy, the cost of borrowing will increase to the point where the fed gov just can't afford it, so that would be a step in the right direction, I mean getting the borrowing under control, because frankly, that's what it would appear to take to accomplish that, not because I'd like to see it. I'd much rather have them curb their borrowing on their own accord, but it just doesn't seem to be happening.
    You can't curb borrowing without cutting spending.

    that's where the pain will come.


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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    I think you're right in that Iran some of the hardware for the S300s but don't think that they are fully operational to the same extent that the ones in Russia are. Also, I don't think that Iranian personnel have been fully trained and the systems are running at a fully operational level.

    Also, I can think of many reasons Israel hasn't attacked Iran:

    1. They're not convinced that they can get the US to do all the "Heavy Lifting" this time & neuter Iran to Israel's satisfaction as with Iraq. However, they've been launching "False Flag" attacks on the US & its bases to deceive the US into fighting Wars for them since The Lavon Affaire".

    2. Roughly 2/3 of Americans oppose War with Iran. Meanwhile, US support for Israel was falling prior to Netanyahu's speech before Congress, now it's lower but still significant.

    3. The Israelis are quietly operating under another plan to contain Iran & share Regional Hegemony with US Ziono-Cons (see Oded Yinon Plan)

    4. Israeli Military & Intelligence oppose attacking Iran:

    “Former Mossad chief: Israel air strike on Iran 'stupidest thing I have ever heard'
    Former Mossad chief: Israel air strike on Iran 'stupidest thing I have ever heard' - Israel News | Haaretz

    5. "Fear of the Unknown"; IDF is still trying to figure out the surprises they encountered from being routed after their murderous foray into S. Lebanon in '06


    An attack on Iran would be cataclysmic at best. Pray for cool heads



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    The only one who gets to decide if Israel attacks Iran is Netanyahu, and Netanyahu doesn't have to listen to the Mossad or anyone else.

    Netanyahu is a proven warmonger who is known to always prefer bombs and military force to ensure Israel's military hegemony in the ME.

    Therefore, the only reason he won't attack is because Iran has an effective military deterrent to the kinds of attacks Israel can mount.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Russia needs oil?
    It will just re-route the oil through pipelines to Europe. It's a control strategy to keep EU dependent on Russian oil and gas.
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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    This just confirms for me that one way or the other Iran will have a nuke. Russian will have it's land bridge to Crimea The eastern Med will fall completely under Russian influence, and Iran will control the Levant, the Persian Gulf, and the approaches to the Red Sea. Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt will be left to their own devices and remedies. In two short years that region will look entirely different, and will pose nearly insurmountable problems for Western Europe as well.
    All as a result of Obama's foreign policy failures.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You can't curb borrowing without cutting spending.

    that's where the pain will come.
    Indeed. About high time that everyone puts their big boy panties on, and deals with it. That includes the electorate as well as the congress.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I doubt the US government has $24 trillion in assets that can be liquidated. I doubt they will sell Puerto Rico
    I don't think that the US Government 'owns' Puerto Rico, so I don't think they can 'sell it', but that wouldn't be the same for large tracks of federally owned land out West, some of which holds reserves of exploitable resources, NG, oil, minerals, ores, and you gotta figure that some of these would have some value that could be sold.

    I wonder how much some realize that the continued spending, and the social safety nets are the largest line items in spending growing, at risk of being forced to sell off all the national parks and similar. Hell of a future predicament we are leaving our future generations. Be not proud.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap



    Russia says an arms embargo of Iran will cease when when a deal is reached with the P5+1. In the event Iran cheats on a deal, the S-300 system would make air and cruise missile strikes much more difficult.
    Greetings, Simplexity.

    Don't you just love to see big smiles and hearty laughter at the conclusion of a successful business deal? Does the old heart good, doesn't it!

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