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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Whilst Israel has nukes her neighbours will want to acquire them. Only the US has the influence on Israel to remedy this imbalance. This issue is not going to go away otherwise
    Israel has had them for 50 years. You seem to conveniently forget that Pakistan, a Sunni nuclear-weapons nation, shares a direct border with Iran.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Israel has had them for 50 years. You seem to conveniently forget that Pakistan, a Sunni nuclear-weapons nation, shares a direct border with Iran.
    The problem isn't going to go away by pretending it doesn't exist. I've already suggested a compromise

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Fine. You convince the American nation to use her nuclear weapons if necessary to protect Israel. I don't see that happening.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

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    then the deal is pointless.
    But you've always believed that anyway. Little surprise.
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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

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    Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap



    Russia says an arms embargo of Iran will cease when when a deal is reached with the P5+1. In the event Iran cheats on a deal, the S-300 system would make air and cruise missile strikes much more difficult.
    Russia is an immoral and evil nation who will do whatever it needs to break the effects of the European measures and those of other countries after the Ukrainian disaster and the MH17 downing.

    I hope that if they sell them these weapons that some time in the future Iran will become Russia's biggest enemy and that these weapons will be turned on Russia instead of the US and the rest of the civilized world (which of course Russia does not belong to).
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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Fine. You convince the American nation to use her nuclear weapons if necessary to protect Israel. I don't see that happening.
    If by protect you mean that we would retaliate after a preemptive nuclear strike on Israel, I think that is almost a given already without any formal treaty. What else would Israel do with her own bombs? We have sworn to protect Israels right to exist since it's inception and we practically handed them the a-bomb. I assume that it was at Israels request in the poorly thought out hope that a nuclear weapon would change their neighbors minds about attacking them. The problem is that Israel can't use their bombs and everybody knows it.
    Iran would have the same problem but in their case they only want a nuclear weapon to protect them from an invasion by the U.S. and the rhetoric here has not helped that notion. The question is would we still attack them if they had a few bombs? That has not been answered.
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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If by protect you mean that we would retaliate after a preemptive nuclear strike on Israel, I think that is almost a given already without any formal treaty.
    An US implicit threat (for deterrence purposes) and actually following through on that implicit threat are two vastly different things. I don't see any US president authorizing US nuclear strikes unless the US itself (or NATO nations) are directly attacked with such weapons.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We have sworn to protect Israels right to exist since it's inception and we practically handed them the a-bomb.
    This is patently untrue. The US had nothing to do with Israel's atomic program. The Eisenhower administration only learned of Dimona 5 years after construction had already began. This was a huge CIA intelligence failure under director Allen Dulles. Had the US discovered the hidden purpose of Dimona two years or perhaps even a year earlier, Israel possibly could not have withstood intense US and international pressures to cease and desist.

    It was France that assisted Israel with Dimona until Paris realized what the Israelis were up to. French president De Gaulle was incensed and he eventually ended all cooperation with Israel at the onset of the Six Day War in 1967. By then however, Israel on its own had already enriched enough uranium for an atomic weapon.

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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Iran marks Army Day with cries of 'Death to Israel, US' | The Times of Israel

    The religion of peace speaks again. We're going to get an awesome nuke deal with these guys.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Russia lifts ban on missile deliveries to Iran, start oil-for-goods swap

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But you've always believed that anyway. Little surprise.
    I figured that it probably would be, and so am unsurprised.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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