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    Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    Interesting. Makes you wonder the type of stuff that they say in private. WOW!

    An Air Force general has been fired after an investigation into comments he made to lower-ranking officers about how talking to members of Congress about the capabilities about the A-10 “Warthog” attack jet was tantamount to treason, the Air Force confirmed Friday.

    The comments by Maj. Gen. James Post, the number 2 commander at the Air Combat Command, had a “chilling effect on some of the attendees and caused them to feel constrained from communicating with members of Congress,” according to a report by the Air Force inspector general.

    Post spoke to a group of over 300 Air Force officers at a weapons and tactics conference in Nevada on January 10. In response to a question about the status of the A-10, Post was reported to have said that it was their duty to support the service’s budget priorities by not offering opinions inconsistent with those aims.

    Post “discussed the importance of loyalty to senior leader decisions and used the word 'treason' in describing his thoughts on communication by Airmen counter to those decisions,” the Air Force said in a statement.

    The report concluded that Post's "choice of words had the effect of attempting to prevent some members from lawfully communicating with Congress.”

    Post released a statement late Friday in which he apologized for what he described as his “poor choice of words.”

    The objective of my comment was simply meant to focus the attention of the audience on working within the command's constraints,” Post said.

    “It was sincerely never my intention to discourage anyone's access to their elected officials. I now understand how my poor choice of words may have led a few attendees to draw this conclusion and I offer my humble apology for causing any undue strain on the command and its mission," Post said.
    Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks | Fox News

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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

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    A two-star general has been removed from his post and issued a letter of reprimand for warning airmen under his command not to lobby Congress against retiring the Air Force’s beloved A-10 “Warthog” attack jet.

    At the Air Force’s annual Weapons and Tactics conference on January 10, Maj. Gen. James Post III, the vice commander of the branch’s Air Combat Command, told an audience of more than 300 airmen that speaking to lawmakers about plans to retire the popular Cold War-era plane amounted to treason. His comments were made in response to a question about the A-10, a close air support aircraft.

    “If anyone accuses me of saying this, I will deny it,” Post said. “Anyone who is passing information to Congress about A-10 capabilities is committing treason.”

    Post went on at length, insisting that airmen have a duty to support the service’s chosen budget priorities by refraining from offering opinions inconsistent with those priorities, according to John Q. Public, a popular blog about the Air Force.

    The Air Force is planning to retire about 300 Warthogs ‒ officially the A-10 Thunderbolt II ‒ over the next few years, which the service says would save $4.2 billion by 2019. The jet is ardently defended by military members from all branches ‒ due to its role in supporting ground troops in battle in Iraq and Afghanistan ‒ and on Capitol Hill.

    The military plans to replace the A-10 with Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, an aircraft plagued with chronic cost overruns and delayed deliveries that will not be ready until at least 2019.

    Post’s remarks at the conference weren’t the first time he had engaged in this particular exposition. He’d been saying it to groups of A-10 operators for some time, according toJohn Q. Public.

    Sens. John McCain (R-Arizona) and Kelly Ayotte (R-New Hampshire), two of the jet’s staunchest supporters, called on the Air Force to investigate Post’s comments, the Air Force Times reported.

    "U.S. law clearly states that 'No person may restrict a member of the armed forces in communicating with a member of Congress.' The Constitution defines treason as levying war against the United States in providing aid and comfort to our enemies," Ayotte said in a statement to the Air Force Times. "How could members of the armed forces exercising their lawful right to communicate with Congress be providing aid and comfort to our enemies? If the facts are on the Air Force's side regarding its efforts to prematurely divest the A-10, what does the Air Force fear?"

    Air Combat Command brushed off criticisms that Post’s speech was a violation of 10 US Code § 1034 – Protected communications; prohibition of retaliatory personnel, which reads, “No person may restrict a member of the armed forces in communicating with a Member of Congress or an Inspector General.”

    “The intent of his comments were to communicate the Air Force’s position and decision on recommended actions and strategic choices faced for the current constrained fiscal environment,” In an e-mail to Military.com, spokeswoman Maj. Genieve David said,

    "Our role as individual military members is not to engage in public debate or advocacy for policy,” she added.

    Despite the seemingly blasé response to Post’s potentially law-breaking comments, the Air Force inspector general did open an investigation into the speech in late January, Stars and Stripes reported.

    The investigation found that Post discussed “the importance of loyalty to senior leader decisions and used the word ‘treason’ in describing his thoughts on communication by Airmen counter to those decisions.”

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    The twin-engine, straight wing jet was developed by Fairchild Republic in the early 1970s, designed solely for close air support based around its 30mm GAU-8 Avenger rotary cannon. Supporters say it can fly “low and slow” over its targets, providing more accurate fire than other aircraft. It is currently being used in the battle against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, as well as for NATO exercises in Germany.
    Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks | Fox News

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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    We certainly wouldn't want the people making budget decisions about hundred million dollar aircraft to... know anything about what that aircraft can do!

    “It was sincerely never my intention to discourage anyone's access to their elected officials.
    Riiight. By "treason," you meant "totally do this whenever you feel it's important. you have that right by law."

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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    Post went on at length, insisting that airmen have a duty to support the service’s chosen budget priorities by refraining from offering opinions inconsistent with those priorities, according to John Q. Public, a popular blog about the Air Force.

    The Air Force is planning to retire about 300 Warthogs ‒ officially the A-10 Thunderbolt II ‒ over the next few years, which the service says would save $4.2 billion by 2019. The jet is ardently defended by military members from all branches ‒ due to its role in supporting ground troops in battle in Iraq and Afghanistan ‒ and on Capitol Hill.

    The military plans to replace the A-10 with Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, an aircraft plagued with chronic cost overruns and delayed deliveries that will not be ready until at least 2019.

    Calling it treason to praise the capabilities of the A-10 to congress... sounds very political. Considering the amount of money and contracts with private business involved, how could it not be?


    If the A-10 jet is "ardently defended by members from all three branches of the military" ....then why is the air force so intent on replacing them with the more problematic F-35? Sure looks like politics at play, imo.


    If the facts are on the Air Force's side regarding its efforts to prematurely divest the A-10, what does the Air Force fear?"
    Yeah, what does the Air Force have to fear about the A-10?
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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Calling it treason to praise the capabilities of the A-10 to congress... sounds very political. Considering the amount of money and contracts with private business involved, how could it not be?


    If the A-10 jet is "ardently defended by members from all three branches of the military" ....then why is the air force so intent on replacing them with the more problematic F-35? Sure looks like politics at play, imo.




    Yeah, what does the Air Force have to fear about the A-10?
    Maybe Post will end up on the payroll of Lockheed Martin.
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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Calling it treason to praise the capabilities of the A-10 to congress... sounds very political. Considering the amount of money and contracts with private business involved, how could it not be?


    If the A-10 jet is "ardently defended by members from all three branches of the military" ....then why is the air force so intent on replacing them with the more problematic F-35? Sure looks like politics at play, imo.




    Yeah, what does the Air Force have to fear about the A-10?
    It is political because the budget is political. Ever since the Clinton era, they have been trying to kill off the A-10 and other systems inorder to reroute funds to systems they want. This has resulted in the Air Force almost totally abandoning it's previous roles in close air support (CAS) of ground troops. The Air Force was run for many years by Fighter Pilots from the air superiority systems, the F-15 which was supposed to be replaced by the F-22. They have had some leadership from other areas for about a decade now, one being a Special Forces guy but not anyone from CAS.

    The F-15s air superiority fighter entered service around 1972 and were slated to be replaced with the F-22 but the service couldn't afford enough for total replacement. The Air Force F-16 multi-role aircraft entered service around 1976 with the Navy/Marines adopting the FA-18 for that role shortly afterwards. The Joint Strike Fighter, F-35 is a replacement for the multirole tasks and will be one of the few times that all branches have the same aircraft. The Navy currently uses a updated version of the FA-18, the Super Hornet, for fleet defence/Air Superiority.

    The A-10/OA-10 is a close air support air craft specifically designed to loiter in an area and kill tanks and convoys. Because it is neither fast nor stealthy, it is believed by some leadership to be obsolete. They much prefer aircraft that move fast and have stealth capabilities. Thus, they want to kill off these systems to move the money to the new fast and stealth aircraft. The problem is that the faster the air craft, the longer and further it takes to make a turn. The faster aircraft such as the F-16, F-15E, and FA-18 cannot turn ontop of the enemy the way an A-10 can. They make a strike using missiles/rockets go out, turn around then come back. The A-10 makes a pass using missiles rockets then turns almost in place and then strafe the enemy with further missiles/rockets and with a 30 MM gun that can chew up tanks.

    Again, the A-10 is an early 1970s aircraft. So it is also very old for an aircraft and it really should be replaced. My personal opinion is that it should be replaced by an aircraft designed specifically to do the same job. A purpose built aircraft will always do it's job much better than multi-role/multi-purpose aircraft.
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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    It is political because the budget is political. Ever since the Clinton era, they have been trying to kill off the A-10 and other systems inorder to reroute funds to systems they want. This has resulted in the Air Force almost totally abandoning it's previous roles in close air support (CAS) of ground troops. The Air Force was run for many years by Fighter Pilots from the air superiority systems, the F-15 which was supposed to be replaced by the F-22. They have had some leadership from other areas for about a decade now, one being a Special Forces guy but not anyone from CAS.

    The F-15s air superiority fighter entered service around 1972 and were slated to be replaced with the F-22 but the service couldn't afford enough for total replacement. The Air Force F-16 multi-role aircraft entered service around 1976 with the Navy/Marines adopting the FA-18 for that role shortly afterwards. The Joint Strike Fighter, F-35 is a replacement for the multirole tasks and will be one of the few times that all branches have the same aircraft. The Navy currently uses a updated version of the FA-18, the Super Hornet, for fleet defence/Air Superiority.

    The A-10/OA-10 is a close air support air craft specifically designed to loiter in an area and kill tanks and convoys. Because it is neither fast nor stealthy, it is believed by some leadership to be obsolete. They much prefer aircraft that move fast and have stealth capabilities. Thus, they want to kill off these systems to move the money to the new fast and stealth aircraft. The problem is that the faster the air craft, the longer and further it takes to make a turn. The faster aircraft such as the F-16, F-15E, and FA-18 cannot turn ontop of the enemy the way an A-10 can. They make a strike using missiles/rockets go out, turn around then come back. The A-10 makes a pass using missiles rockets then turns almost in place and then strafe the enemy with further missiles/rockets and with a 30 MM gun that can chew up tanks.

    Again, the A-10 is an early 1970s aircraft. So it is also very old for an aircraft and it really should be replaced. My personal opinion is that it should be replaced by an aircraft designed specifically to do the same job. A purpose built aircraft will always do it's job much better than multi-role/multi-purpose aircraft.

    Excellent post, DVS. I would only add that almost every inch of the A-10 has been modernized, upgraded and replaced. While it is truly amazing how long the plane has been in service....it's a shame to lose a plane that still continues to prove it's worth.

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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    The General made a Freudian Slip, as it were. He revealed his mindset when it comes to high ranking military officers in US society today. Rather US v THEM, with many possibilities for 'them'.

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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Excellent post, DVS. I would only add that almost every inch of the A-10 has been modernized, upgraded and replaced. While it is truly amazing how long the plane has been in service....it's a shame to lose a plane that still continues to prove it's worth.
    ditto B52 and C130

    and the general was stupid to say "if you say i said this i will deny it" before a large group
    better say that for a tiny group you are able to intimidate into silence
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    Re: Air Force fires general over A-10 jets 'treason' remarks

    We used to have an A-10 base here in Indiana. It has been repurposed as a prison. I think I would leave the politics to the politicians and urge the military leaders to concentrate on things military.

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