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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    At least one type of police shooting would be prohibited.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I don't disagree that the police will manipulate the rule. But that doesn't mean such a rule isn't justified.

    I am the father of two young sons. One of my oldest son's favorite past-times is to lick his finger and stick it about one inch from his brother's face and when his brother protests he says, "What?! I'm not touching you!"

    I can envision a situation in which an officer is trying to make a legitimate arrest and bystanders, with cameras or not, start getting too close for comfort. Close enough to be distracting. Close enough the officer may even feel in danger. Imagine a group of friends out, perhaps they just won a hockey game, and one of them throws a beer bottle through a car window breaking it. An officer sees it and starts arresting the guy. All of a sudden his dozen buddies surround him and the officer and get really close. They are yelling at the officer that their buddy didn't do anything and this is ****ed up and they start calling him a pig and everything else. Everything they are yelling is protected by the first amendment, as it should be. But it will be very difficult for the officer to do his job properly and communicate with dispatch over the noise.

    "We're not touching you! We're not touching you!"

    A balance has to be found.
    It's scenarios like those that are the problem. It's easy to record an incident and then edit the video to make it look like the cop was wrong and the perp was right or vice versa. I don't have an issue with recording the police, but it'w when those recording get used in court that there can be a problem.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    That isn't what the bill says. HuffingtonPost is lying in that headline.

    It would be legal to film an officer from 25 feet away. What the bill is intending to do is keep people from rushing in to film a crime scene before the police have processed it.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That isn't what the bill says. HuffingtonPost is lying in that headline.

    It would be legal to film an officer from 25 feet away. What the bill is intending to do is keep people from rushing in to film a crime scene before the police have processed it.
    That the headline is somewhat misleading is true. However, pretty much everybody in this thread seems to have figured that out and is moving on with the discussion.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    how many times has a citizen who was filming the police actually been shown to have interfered with their work? I mean I'm sure people are arrested for it all the time but really, how many times has a perp gotten away or something of consequence actually occurred because of someone filming the police (other than exposure of police brutality).

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    i cannot see how this is in any way unreasonable.

    Anything has cen shown from a distance of 25 feet, as a reporter I would have given an arm to be guaranteed 25 feet from anything.

    I would further suggest that in yet to be controlled situation, even that close could be dangerous to the filmer as well as the officers.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    how many times has a citizen who was filming the police actually been shown to have interfered with their work? I mean I'm sure people are arrested for it all the time but really, how many times has a perp gotten away or something of consequence actually occurred because of someone filming the police (other than exposure of police brutality).
    Google it

    Or, perhaps call the local police and ask how often a person filming them made their jobs more difficult or potentially interfered with an investigation.

    Would you want an innocent man to go to prison because some exculpatory evidence was overlooked by officers more concerned about the safety of the people filming?

    Or do you just assume that cops are out to "get" people?
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Google it

    Or, perhaps call the local police and ask how often a person filming them made their jobs more difficult or potentially interfered with an investigation.

    Would you want an innocent man to go to prison because some exculpatory evidence was overlooked by officers more concerned about the safety of the people filming?

    Or do you just assume that cops are out to "get" people?
    you could have just not answered or posted "I don't know" and this would have been easier but here are the answers to your statements/questions:

    I did google it. couldn't find anything other than advocacy websites.

    I don't want to waste my local police department's time.

    no.

    no.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That isn't what the bill says. HuffingtonPost is lying in that headline.

    It would be legal to film an officer from 25 feet away. What the bill is intending to do is keep people from rushing in to film a crime scene before the police have processed it.
    I guess those with cameras better invest in a tape measure to carry with them so they'll know at what point they're subject to six months in jail for stepping one foot into that prohibited zone.

    Also, too, it's 100 feet if you are legally carrying a weapon. That's a long tape measure!

    And if the bill intends to preserve a crime scene, why allow those NOT filming into the "NO RECORDING ALLOWED ZONE!"? What point do special rules for those recording the scene serve? I can't think of any, except the obvious one which is reduce the situations when it's legal to record the police, and to hand cops an easily abused excuse to arrest bystanders who have the temerity to get their cameras out. If you're driving, and your wife records a traffic stop during which you get drug out of your car and beaten, she's committing a crime and will be subject to (up to) six months in jail. You're OK with that I guess.....

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    you could have just not answered or posted "I don't know" and this would have been easier but here are the answers to your statements/questions:

    I did google it. couldn't find anything other than advocacy websites.

    I don't want to waste my local police department's time.

    no.

    no.
    So no evidence produces a question of how much?

    You had the answer, you just didn't like it. Note for future reference the lack of finding anything often means there is none.

    And not wasting the time of the police is a cop out. I volunteer for the local police and that is what we do, find answers to those questions so the public better understands the complexity of a police officer's job.

    the fact you don't accept "no evidence" for what it is and don't want to know about how police do their job says all that needs be said.
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