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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The rule isn't justified because there are already rules on interfering with the police. This is just something to give the authority a cheater-arm, a way to exert more torque on the People and hide their actions. The laws necessary already exist, they can't use them because they haven't been violated on whole by people recording. So they need a new law to give more force to government to use against the rights and liberties of the People.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Requiring camera happy spectators to keep their distance is not only reasonable, but is imperative for the safety of the police officer and sometimes those he is questioning or arresting or giving a ticket to or whatever. In especially highly charged situations like the fight following the hockey game etc., the policeman often has multiple issues in progress and doesn't need to worry about who is crowding around him. It isn't much different than the police order to 'Move along, there's nothing to see here" kind of order to disperse a crowd that detracts from a police investigation.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This topic was already made and discussed.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-an...amendment.html

    It does not make recording police illegal.
    It makes certain types of recordings illegal.
    As I noted above there is no exception for those being investigated by the police. That is a major problem with the bill and would effectively put us back in the "he said/she said" days when he - the cop - was always right.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    or I could just continue the good discussion we're having in here and ignore your fly-by post. have a great day!
    No, maybe the rules should be followed. They do exist for a reason.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    As I noted above there is no exception for those being investigated by the police. That is a major problem with the bill and would effectively put us back in the "he said/she said" days when he - the cop - was always right.
    And? Not my argument.
    Making a blanket statement saying the bill would make recording police illegal is wrong as it doesn't.
    It only make it illegal under certain circumstances.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And? Not my argument.
    Making a blanket statement saying the bill would make recording police illegal is wrong as it doesn't.
    It only make it illegal under certain circumstances.
    The most important "certain type" would be made illegal. That makes the bill a whole lot less innocuous as some would want you to believe.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No, maybe the rules should be followed. They do exist for a reason.
    are you saying "No" to my ignoring your post or "No" to having a great day?

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The most important "certain type" would be made illegal. That makes the bill a whole lot less innocuous as some would want you to believe.
    And again. Not my argument.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Brought to you by the same people who preach "limited government."
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If the drafters of the bill were worried about interference with police performing their duties the bill would call for a 25' perimeter excluding ALL people, not just those with a camera.

    The bill doesn't contain an exception for persons being investigated by the officer so presumably a motorist stopped by the police could not legally videotape the encounter under this law.

    Courts have consistently held that recording police in the performance of their duties is permissible under the First Amendment. Even if this was passed it likely would not stand a Constitutional challenge.
    That was my first thought, and a passenger in the car couldn't either. Also, if you're in a small group and approached by police, them getting within 25 feet is excuse enough to seize cell phones to prevent "illegal" taping. In a lot of houses, it's nearly impossible to be in the same room as someone else AND 25 feet away, so any encounter in that kind of space is 'illegal' to record. And in any really crowded space, 25 feet means out of view of the camera. Plus, for the gun nuts, the limit is 100 feet if you're legally carrying!

    Terrible idea all the way around, especially since it amends a bill that already prohibits interfering with a police officer doing his duty. Hopefully this dies in committee like most such boneheaded legislation.

    FWIW, here's an interview with him about the bill: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    What his bill IS aimed at, Villalba said, are cop-watch groups that consist of “agitators posing as journalists in order to interfere” with officers doing their job.

    “They follow the police scanner, and as soon as they hear about an arrest,” he said, “they immediately get in the vicinity of the officer and start taunting the officer while the arrest is occurring.”

    Villalba said representatives of the Dallas Police Association and a state peace officers’ group approached him about a bill that could give cops on the street a established camera-free zone (except for media) so cops could go about their jobs.
    Not persuasive. Cops don't like getting filmed, and some of those filming might be rude. That's too bad....

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