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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What would suffice as evidence? Who has evidence other than the cops themselves? All I can say is that people crowding in to get pictures with their Kindles and Tablets and Phones etc. are a real pain at times--a phenomenon that didn't exist 10 or so years ago. All I know is that I have witnessed this phenomenon and my nephew, who is a police officer, tells me that it is a problem for them at times.
    I was asking about evidence of the shortcomings of the EXISTING LAW, which already makes it illegal to interfere with police officers doing their duty. Frankly citizens being a "pain" isn't sufficient to pass a law that makes being a "pain" a crime punishable by up to a year in prison. What I'm asking is why we need laws that single out photographers for special restrictions that aren't needed to control crowds of people not recording.

    My only motive in this thread is that I am as angered and offended by true police overreach and misconduct as the next person. But I also know that the good cops outnumber the bad ones by a huge margin, and I'm just not willing to think the worst of them because a legislator from Texas worded a bill that people are trying to make out to be a license for police misconduct.
    I agree about the good outnumbering the bad - I respect the police and am damn glad we have them around.

    What surprises me about this legislation is it takes 30 seconds of thought to come up with fatal objections to the bill. It's incredible no one pushing it spent the seconds needed to recognize it makes a criminal out of someone recording his or her own interactions with police, which is just a HUGE sledgehammer just begging to be used by crooked cops to harass people. That's my motive - to point that out.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron River View Post
    As if a girl from Seattle is worried about my right to carry a gun in Texas.. If the cop needs help you should have your gun in your hand and if the cop needs to be taped for what he is doing you need to have the gun to his head.
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    As a cc permit holder in this state, I hope that you are not one in TX (or anywhere). This is the stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Your permit is not a license to become some crime fighter. None of these was about a cop in immediate danger from a suspect and if it was, you'd need to be right next to them to use your firearm in order to make sure you didnt hit the cop....eh sharpshooter? Because they would have to be mano a mano for you to have any excuse to interfere at all.

    So your firearm should never even be out for anyone to 'take.' And if you're worried about it, get a little gun retention training.

    People like you endanger all our rights to carry.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Didn't the supreme court already decide this issue?
    The bill's author was trying to carefully skirt around the SC's decision. Not uncommon.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    If the drafters of the bill were worried about interference with police performing their duties the bill would call for a 25' perimeter excluding ALL people, not just those with a camera.

    The bill doesn't contain an exception for persons being investigated by the officer so presumably a motorist stopped by the police could not legally videotape the encounter under this law.



    Courts have consistently held that recording police in the performance of their duties is permissible under the First Amendment. Even if this was passed it likely would not stand a Constitutional challenge.
    Also, the law should only prevent people from entering an 25' perimeter of an officer. If an officer approaches you, you should be able to record. The proof, of course, would be on the recording itself. It would show who approach whom.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Make it illegal to film the police on the condition that all police wear cameras all the time.
    Naw, Keep it legal to film police and require cops to wear body cams while on duty.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Make it illegal to film the police on the condition that all police wear cameras all the time.
    Body cams can't and won't catch everything. Others can fill in the blanks so we can work with more complete information.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    To prevent Obstruction of Justice and interfering with the duties of police? Maybe.

    But why not simply prevent the public from being within 25' of police when involved in an arrest, chase, etc?

    Looks like Texas is trying to prevent cops from having their shady/illegal activities recorded.

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