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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    What's really bull**** here is that anyone carrying a gun has to be 100 feet away from the incident, pretty much nullifying a good part of the adult population's ability to accurately video the incident.

    "Hey, you get to decide....videotape for justice's sake or risk losing your right to own and carry a firearm?" Nice.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Also interesting...both here on the forum and what I took away from the proposed legislation, is that the assumption is the video's are for capturing police wrong-doing.

    When it's just as likely as such video can exonerate falsely accused cops.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What's really bull**** here is that anyone carrying a gun has to be 100 feet away from the incident, pretty much nullifying a good part of the adult population's ability to accurately video the incident.

    "Hey, you get to decide....videotape for justice's sake or risk losing your right to own and carry a firearm?" Nice.
    I have it on good authority that bullets are useless beyond 80 feet.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Regardless how it's defended, the fact that it targets photographers suggests to me that it has absolutely nothing to do with safety and/or ability to do their work, and everything to do with discouraging filming. Plus, there are already laws on the books that require people to not interfere, so this legislation is wholly unnecessary.
    But what it suggests and what the reasoning was may in fact be two different things. If the congressman was simply addressing the frustration with Papparazzi or other pushy photographers he might have been focused on that. It seems unlikely that a Texas congressman would be pushing legislation intended to enable police officers in abuse of power.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    All we can evaluate is what was proposed, and the proposal amended a law that already made it illegal to interfere with police, and added a provision that made it a presumed violation of that law just for photographing or recording the police within 25 or 100 feet. So the target is clearly those RECORDING the police. Not bystanders in general - ONLY those with cameras turned on.

    If there is some evidence the existing law doesn't adequately allow officers to do their job, then present that argument. No one has done so yet that I've seen.
    Again it might have been legislation that was not completely thought through--it was intended to give police officers relief from those who were constantly crowding in to get video and audio and, having a family member who is a police officer--NEVER accused of any sort of misconduct--I am informed that this has become an increasing problem. It does NOT make it illegal to photograph police officers--it just makes it illegal to get in their face to do it. But, the law has not come up for a vote and I figure if it does, it will be in amended form to address the issues the public is having with it.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But what it suggests and what the reasoning was may in fact be two different things. If the congressman was simply addressing the frustration with Papparazzi or other pushy photographers he might have been focused on that.
    Possible. But legislators are prone to proposing new legislation that is often redundant simply because it gives the appearance that they're doing something.

    I've long thought that we should have most things pretty much nailed down by now, and that the numbers of laws should actually be going down, but that doesn't seem to be happening. That's also probably another topic for another thread.


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    It seems unlikely that a Texas congressman would be pushing legislation intended to enable police officers in abuse of power.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    All we can evaluate is what was proposed, and the proposal amended a law that already made it illegal to interfere with police, and added a provision that made it a presumed violation of that law just for photographing or recording the police within 25 or 100 feet. So the target is clearly those RECORDING the police. Not bystanders in general - ONLY those with cameras turned on.

    If there is some evidence the existing law doesn't adequately allow officers to do their job, then present that argument. No one has done so yet that I've seen.
    What would suffice as evidence? Who has evidence other than the cops themselves? All I can say is that people crowding in to get pictures with their Kindles and Tablets and Phones etc. are a real pain at times--a phenomenon that didn't exist 10 or so years ago. All I know is that I have witnessed this phenomenon and my nephew, who is a police officer, tells me that it is a problem for them at times.

    My only motive in this thread is that I am as angered and offended by true police overreach and misconduct as the next person. But I also know that the good cops outnumber the bad ones by a huge margin, and I'm just not willing to think the worst of them because a legislator from Texas worded a bill that people are trying to make out to be a license for police misconduct.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Didn't the supreme court already decide this issue?
    Kind of. SCOTUS declined to review a 1st circuit (I think it was) decision a few years back that said videotaping police was constitutionally protected.

    That said reasonable restrictions on a right may past muster (not that I think this would)
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    The bill has been dropped by its author.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What's really bull**** here is that anyone carrying a gun has to be 100 feet away from the incident, pretty much nullifying a good part of the adult population's ability to accurately video the incident.

    "Hey, you get to decide....videotape for justice's sake or risk losing your right to own and carry a firearm?" Nice.
    As if a girl from Seattle is worried about my right to carry a gun in Texas.. If the cop needs help you should have your gun in your hand and if the cop needs to be taped for what he is doing you need to have the gun to his head.

    If you one of your liberals approach the cop in action with a gun and a camera the person the cop is beating might take the gun and kill the liberal and the cop.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I have it on good authority that bullets are useless beyond 80 feet.
    If you get too close the criminal might take your gun when it falls out of your purse. If they were worried about you shooting at the cop with your garter gun they would let you get a lot closer.
    I've long thought that we should have most things pretty much nailed down by now, and that the numbers of laws should actually be going down, but that doesn't seem to be happening. That's also probably another topic for another thread.
    In this case we are calling about a new situation and we all know that people get in the way. The last big video was taken for pretty far back and the cop may get the death penalty so 25 feet is good.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But what it suggests and what the reasoning was may in fact be two different things. If the congressman was simply addressing the frustration with Papparazzi or other pushy photographers he might have been focused on that. It seems unlikely that a Texas congressman would be pushing legislation intended to enable police officers in abuse of power.
    I expect that the cops would like a few feet of separation as backup arrives and people staring at their phone cameras tend to get in the way more than others.

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