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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Google it

    Or, perhaps call the local police and ask how often a person filming them made their jobs more difficult or potentially interfered with an investigation.

    Would you want an innocent man to go to prison because some exculpatory evidence was overlooked by officers more concerned about the safety of the people filming?

    Or
    do you just assume that cops are out to "get" people?


    Some cops are just out to get people. If they can write you a ticket or arrest you on a BS charge, that's a feather in their cap.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    There should be some sort of buffer zone to allow the police officer to do his or her job. Things like this should be a on a case by case bases instead of a set defined distance. Should someone not being arrested,detained,stopped, questioned or any other business with the police be literally standing next to the officer filming what he is or she is doing? No because that can interfere with the officer doing his or her job.Now someone who is being detained, stopped, arrested or any other business with the police should be allowed to be filming what is going on when they are right next to the police officer. There probably other circumstances like if a house is a murder scene and the police are gather evidence,although in such cases outsiders should not be allowed in to film due to property rights issue while the owner of that property should be allowed to film whats going on assuming they are not touching or preventing the collection of any evidence.
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're not reading any of the replies, I guess.

    It's OK that any traffic stop is just about inherently illegal to record? It's OK to make it illegal to record your OWN interaction with police? If you're in a small room, any recording is illegal, especially if you're legally carrying a gun, which mandates 100 feet. Reasonable? If you're filming, a police officer entering into the 25 foot zone (100 feet if you have a legal firearm) makes you a criminal unless you stop immediately, which means grounds for arrest, seizing your recording device and up to 6 months in jail. You're OK with that? They only have to prove you were recording in that prohibited zone. Nothing else.



    It's already illegal to interfere with a police officer. Police would have the same rights they have now to clear people (recording or not) from a scene when necessary to do his or her job properly and safely.

    Explain why a photographer (aka an ordinary person with their cell phone out and recording) is more dangerous than any other person with a cell phone out but not recording?


    Because that video record could cost a bad cop his job and liberty.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There should be some sort of buffer zone to allow the police officer to do his or her job. Things like this should be a on a case by case bases instead of a set defined distance. Should someone not being arrested,detained,stopped, questioned or any other business with the police be literally standing next to the officer filming what he is or she is doing? No because that can interfere with the officer doing his or her job.Now someone who is being detained, stopped, arrested or any other business with the police should be allowed to be filming what is going on when they are right next to the police officer. There probably other circumstances like if a house is a murder scene and the police are gather evidence,although in such cases outsiders should not be allowed in to film due to property rights issue while the owner of that property should be allowed to film whats going on assuming they are not touching or preventing the collection of any evidence.
    emphasis mine. this is exactly the kind of thing that should be handled on a case-by-case basis. if someone is interfering with the police - whether that's due to filming or any other kind of behavior - they should be charged accordingly. enacting a law like this would only serve to open up a greater possibility of abuse.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Within 25 feet.

    I am a strong supporter in the public's right to record police officers. But I also don't have a problem with giving the officers a buffer zone to do their work. Reasonable people can certainly disagree on what that distance should be.
    Really, so if you are stopped for a traffic citation and had a camera running on your dash to record the incident, yo would be guilty under this law.

    That is not right.

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bg85 View Post
    my problem with giving them a specified buffer zone (any specified buffer zone) is that it then becomes a question of measuring the distance to prove guilt or innocence. also, a cop doesn't even need to charge someone with a crime in order to abuse the law. they can just start telling everyone to get back and that their filming is illegal, or use the opportunity to confiscate a camera before a person has had a chance to put the specified distance between themselves and an officer. also if you're in a small room this would essentially make filming the officer illegal, or if you were stopped at a traffic stop, etc.
    I can see it now. An incident happens, and people from 30 feet away start filming.

    The officer walk 6 feet towards them, and they are guilty of a crime.

    Can you see the crowd matching the officers step by step to keep the 25 feet between them?

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But it is fundamentally different because it singles out those recording the event (e.g. a cell phone with the camera or microphone on) versus everyone else (e.g. someone with a cell phone out, but the camera OFF). The law being amended already prohibits interfering with a police officer doing his duty. This adds a presumption that anyone RECORDING WITH A CAMERA/MIC within 25 feet IS interfering, and those without cameras would be held to a different standard. There is no way I know of to justify that. Besides, if you're legally carrying a weapon, the line is 100 feet IF YOU HAVE A CAMERA TURNED ON, but if not you can presumably be carrying and get as close as you want so long as you don't run afoul of the general prohibition against police interference.
    Those recording the event without some kind of arbitrary connection to a news or journalistic business. Who is to say who is a journalist or who is not anymore?
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    It's already illegal to interfere with the police. How does pointing a camera at a police officer interfere with their actions?
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    Re: Texas Bill Would Make Recording Police Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Yeah, it protects their ability to murder people and get away with it, eh?
    Well I certainly didn't say that or suggest that. But there's no accounting for the really strange interpretations some people have been pushing today.
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