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Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

Perhaps the sanctions should be lifted the same day as Iran admits Israel's right to exist...
 
JANFU said:
The Iranian talk is just politics playing to the plebs.

Then I see Congress with more than enough votes to block this.
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Talking politics to the plebs would be done thru Iranian Media, Press TV, and a couple of others. This was put thru out Western Media and with deliberate intention. From the get go, they even pushed back on Kerry's talking points.

Well, Corker has enough votes to get legislation passed that BO will have be forced to have a little discussion over things with Congress. Which that was despite BO trying to fight that and was hoping Demos would cave and give him what he wants.
 
JANFU said:
Not sure either. Their was a thread with a link detailing the agreement.
Never saved it.
Looking for it though.
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It is uncertain. Under the U.S. interpretation as set forth in its fact sheet, Iran would have limits on the number of type of centrifuges it could continue to operate. Iran, though, has not accepted that interpretation. In short, differences likely persist on that issue.

Also, I posted the text of the U.S. fact sheet in its entirety at:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-framework-nuclear-deal-9.html#post1064490185

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-framework-nuclear-deal-9.html#post1064490186
 
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Well, look at the bright side. Netanyahu gets what he wants which is Iran being no further from a bomb than they were a year ago. That's what he wanted right?
 
MMC said:
What does that have to do with his comments today and to Reuters.....as he isn't speaking to his hardliners.
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He wasn't speaking to Reuters.
In a speech marking the 35th anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution, Rouhani also attacked economic sanctions imposed by the West as "brutal, illegal and wrong" and said countries in the region had nothing to fear from Iran.
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humbolt said:
I think Simplexity mentioned it somewhere, but I'm not certain where.
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- Iran has agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. Iran will go from having about 19,000 installed today to 6,104 installed under the deal, with only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years. All 6,104 centrifuges will be IR-1s, Iran’s first-generation centrifuge.

The IR-1 is the original centrifuge which they built according to the stolen blueprints supplied by the A.Q. Khan Network of Pakistan.
 
Montecresto said:
Just that Reuters has pointed out before that not unlike other nations, there's often a different message for home than abroad. And the "hard liners" recognise it as sop.
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If breakout time is reduced in year 13 to 3 months, the deal will not pass.
 
MMC said:
Talking politics to the plebs would be done thru Iranian Media, Press TV, and a couple of others. This was put thru out Western Media and with deliberate intention. From the get go, they even pushed back on Kerry's talking points.

Well, Corker has enough votes to get legislation passed that BO will have be forced to have a little discussion over things with Congress. Which that was despite BO trying to fight that and was hoping Demos would cave and give him what he wants.
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Not only there but other outlets as well.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but some of the sanctions put in place was due to Congress signing off on it. Which iirc the President cannot bypass. Obama is going to HAVE to get congressional approval to remove those sanctions. He could lift the ones that don't have Congresses stamp on it but that's it. If this is the case then I don't see how any deal is going to be signed with such a hard line stance towards the sanctions.

Even if Obama can bypass Congress on this I know that I for one would not support such a thing. The sanctions should be gradually lifted over a good length of time to ensure that Iran holds up their end of the bargain.
 
Simpleχity;1064511887 said:
- Iran has agreed to reduce by approximately two-thirds its installed centrifuges. Iran will go from having about 19,000 installed today to 6,104 installed under the deal, with only 5,060 of these enriching uranium for 10 years. All 6,104 centrifuges will be IR-1s, Iran’s first-generation centrifuge.

The IR-1 is the original centrifuge which they built according to the stolen blueprints supplied by the A.Q. Khan Network of Pakistan.
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By Henry Kissinger and George P. Shultz

The gradual expiration of the framework agreement, beginning in a decade, will enable Iran to become a significant nuclear, industrial and military power after that time—in the scope and sophistication of its nuclear program and its latent capacity to weaponize at a time of its choosing. Limits on Iran’s research and development have not been publicly disclosed (or perhaps agreed). Therefore Iran will be in a position to bolster its advanced nuclear technology during the period of the agreement and rapidly deploy more advanced centrifuges—of at least five times the capacity of the current model—after the agreement expires or is broken.

The follow-on negotiations must carefully address a number of key issues, including the mechanism for reducing Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium from 10,000 to 300 kilograms, the scale of uranium enrichment after 10 years, and the IAEA’s concerns regarding previous Iranian weapons efforts. The ability to resolve these and similar issues should determine the decision over whether or when the U.S. might still walk away from the negotiations......snip~

The Iran Deal and Its Consequences - WSJ

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/221360-iran-deal-and-its-consequences.html#post1064511801
 
JANFU said:
Not only there but other outlets as well.
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Well all are picking up what he is saying now.....it is pretty much an understanding that others can see. Doesn't exactly give the impression that they are on the same page as most others.



Mixing shrewd diplomacy with open defiance of U.N. resolutions, Iran has gradually turned the negotiation on its head. Iran’s centrifuges have multiplied from about 100 at the beginning of the negotiation to almost 20,000 today. The threat of war now constrains the West more than Iran. While Iran treated the mere fact of its willingness to negotiate as a concession, the West has felt compelled to break every deadlock with a new proposal. In the process, the Iranian program has reached a point officially described as being within two to three months of building a nuclear weapon. Under the proposed agreement, for 10 years Iran will never be further than one year from a nuclear weapon and, after a decade, will be significantly closer......snip~
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but some of the sanctions put in place was due to Congress signing off on it. Which iirc the President cannot bypass.
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Obama can unilaterally ease the sanctions somewhat, but a significant rollback would require Congressional approval.
 
Montecresto said:
Ok......
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I was referring to Congress.
I also find that I would not support such a deal.
13 years moves fast.
The goal is to ensure Iran does not go Nuke.
Even 1 year is short as it would take forever to implement any sanctions, China/Russia would veto at the UN.

So what do you think aside from OK?
 
In an interview with CNNs Christiane Amanpour, US Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz (who was Kerry's right-hand man in Lausanne), gives an estimate of 6 months before sanctions are lifted.

I daresay, this is a far shorter time frame than I had envisioned. Once UN/US/EU sanctions are lifted, it will be very difficult to reimpose them in totality.

[video=youtube;iPgcbblUVKE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?iPgcbblUVKE[/video]
 
Translation of Iranian Fact Sheet on the Nuclear Negotiations

This "fact sheet" was released by the Iranian Foreign Ministry the day after (3 April 2015) the framework agreement was announced (six days ago).

It seems to me the Iranians here are saying that all sanctions will end immediately after "preparatory work" has been completed. I assume preparatory work would be items like shutting down excess centrifuges, redesigning the reactor at Arak, etc. This appears to dovetail with the 6 month estimate of Mr. Moniz.
 
Simpleχity;1064512046 said:
In an interview with CNNs Christiane Amanpour, US Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz (who was Kerry's right-hand man in Lausanne), gives an estimate of 6 months before sanctions are lifted.

I daresay, this is a far shorter time frame than I had envisioned. Once UN/US/EU sanctions are lifted, it will be very difficult to reimpose them in totality.

[video=youtube;iPgcbblUVKE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?iPgcbblUVKE[/video]
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No worries. We're almost certain to have a GOP WH next go around and I'm sure we will be bombing Iran. And if not, Netanyahu's tweekin in Israel, and he's sure to get the job done.
 
From what I understand, there are differences (major and minor) between the US, the Iranian, and the French fact sheets.
 
Montecresto said:
No worries. We're almost certain to have a GOP WH next go around and I'm sure we will be bombing Iran. And if not, Netanyahu's tweekin in Israel, and he's sure to get the job done.
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Doubt that. But a 3 month window in 13 years will not fly. Why are we finding out about this now? The majority want a deal that prevents a short term breakout.
The head thugocratic also stated that certain facilities would not be subject to any inspections.
 
Simpleχity;1064511185 said:
Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani


Four days ago I wrote this:



Rouhani is in a difficult position. On the day the framework agreement was announced, jubilant and cheering crowds gathered all over Iran. The Iranian population of 80 million is young. 42% of Iranians are under the age of 25. Sequestration from the international community has affected them profoundly. They were madly cheering because they expect to see and experience tangible results from any nuclear agreement. They expect more job prospects, a higher standard of living, and higher wages. And if all this betterment doesn't materialize very soon, the regime is in trouble ... and could even fall. Which is why Rouhani is demanding that all sanctions end immediately once a final agreement is signed.

However, I cannot personally support any final agreement in which all nuclear-related sanctions (UN/US/EU) are terminated immediately. No P5+5 nation should even fleetingly consider such a concession. Sanctions should only be lifted in timed tranches and based on optimum performance and total compliance.
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I don't think those sanctions can be terminated immediately. You gotta make sure that the Iranian government will hold to its word and that they'll honor the agreement. If they do, then we can probably slowly relax sanctions.

The Iranian people are young, are educated, have a good middle class. They are ripe for Western style democracies and societies; but their government is just a theocratic nightmare.
 
I think the vast majority of you need to understand something: almost nothing you hear in the media about complicated negotiations like this is going to give you the complete story. In fact, most of what you hear is just posturing or even intended to be misleading. When someone says something is non-negotiable, that is rarely the case. It is all about attempting to strengthen your side by coming up with something that you can "sell" later.
 
MMC said:
Talking politics to the plebs would be done thru Iranian Media, Press TV, and a couple of others. This was put thru out Western Media and with deliberate intention. From the get go, they even pushed back on Kerry's talking points.

Well, Corker has enough votes to get legislation passed that BO will have be forced to have a little discussion over things with Congress. Which that was despite BO trying to fight that and was hoping Demos would cave and give him what he wants.
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Obama will veto the corker bill if it passes
 
bg85 said:
Obama will veto the corker bill if it passes
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Look like Corker will have the override.....although I doubt he will announce it. Works better as a surprise.
 
And what have I said fifty times.... the deal isn't going to hold. Iran's patter is stall, stall, stall, pretend to comply, stall, throw all inspectors out, offer a new deal, break it, stall some more.
 
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