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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani


    Four days ago I wrote this:



    Rouhani is in a difficult position. On the day the framework agreement was announced, jubilant and cheering crowds gathered all over Iran. The Iranian population of 80 million is young. 42% of Iranians are under the age of 25. Sequestration from the international community has affected them profoundly. They were madly cheering because they expect to see and experience tangible results from any nuclear agreement. They expect more job prospects, a higher standard of living, and higher wages. And if all this betterment doesn't materialize very soon, the regime is in trouble ... and could even fall. Which is why Rouhani is demanding that all sanctions end immediately once a final agreement is signed.

    However, I cannot personally support any final agreement in which all nuclear-related sanctions (UN/US/EU) are terminated immediately. No P5+5 nation should even fleetingly consider such a concession. Sanctions should only be lifted in timed tranches and based on optimum performance and total compliance.
    This development strengthens my belief that the hard liners who rule Iran never intend to compromise their quest for nuclear weapons. They have to go through the kabuki of negotiations to placate their people, but in the final analysis they are always going to stiff arm efforts to keep them from developing weapons and blame sanctions on the intransigence of Western nations. Continuing down this path they will eventually get their weapons, and then they will be even harder to deal with and a much greater threat to the region and to the world. It is not in our best interest to continue these faux negotiations indefinitely. I would propose a deadline, set sooner rather than later, after which the issue will be settled by force of arms.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I could be mistaken here, but I believe that advanced centrifuges are already going to be allowed in the framework - just a limited number. Someone with greater knowledge on this subject might shed some light on the centrifuge issue. I'm not holding my breath that calculated breakout times are accurate, anyway. I tend to think not.
    Not sure either. Their was a thread with a link detailing the agreement.
    Never saved it.
    Looking for it though.
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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin JF. It appears this is what they think their main gain was. That BO acknowledged that the Iranians will not bow to pressure. From the link itself.


    "Our main gain in the talks was the fact that U.S. President Barack Obama acknowledged that Iranians will not surrender to bullying, sanctions and threats," Rouhani said.

    "It is a triumph for Iran that the first military power in the world has admitted Iranians will not bow to pressure.".....snip~



    This framework understanding.....was to assist in taking the next step to a deal. One that now that many are seeing as a bad deal. Now while this understanding was written up so that both sides could have some sort of understanding to take back to their people. This does not explain the complete misunderstanding on Iran's part of what the US is saying. They know damn well what BO and his people have been running around saying. They didn't have any trouble with the letter they received and understood that fully and completely.

    Yet here they have been from day one when BO.....was flapping out how Historic his way of dealing with Iran was. Disputing some very key talking points that BO and his team have been using. Disputing what our MS media has stated. What other politicians have stated. It hasn't stopped and now they claim victory in taking on the 6 World powers. Despite two of them in their back pocket. So to speak.
    The Iranian talk is just politics playing to the plebs.

    Then I see Congress with more than enough votes to block this.
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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not sure either. Their was a thread with a link detailing the agreement.
    Never saved it.
    Looking for it though.
    I think Simplexity mentioned it somewhere, but I'm not certain where. I'm about to get to work, so I'll have to check back later. Should've been working a few hours ago...

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What does that have to do with his comments today and to Reuters.....as he isn't speaking to his hardliners.
    Just that Reuters has pointed out before that not unlike other nations, there's often a different message for home than abroad. And the "hard liners" recognise it as sop.
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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Perhaps the sanctions should be lifted the same day as Iran admits Israel's right to exist...
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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Iranian talk is just politics playing to the plebs.

    Then I see Congress with more than enough votes to block this.

    Talking politics to the plebs would be done thru Iranian Media, Press TV, and a couple of others. This was put thru out Western Media and with deliberate intention. From the get go, they even pushed back on Kerry's talking points.

    Well, Corker has enough votes to get legislation passed that BO will have be forced to have a little discussion over things with Congress. Which that was despite BO trying to fight that and was hoping Demos would cave and give him what he wants.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not sure either. Their was a thread with a link detailing the agreement.
    Never saved it.
    Looking for it though.
    It is uncertain. Under the U.S. interpretation as set forth in its fact sheet, Iran would have limits on the number of type of centrifuges it could continue to operate. Iran, though, has not accepted that interpretation. In short, differences likely persist on that issue.

    Also, I posted the text of the U.S. fact sheet in its entirety at:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064490185

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1064490186
    Last edited by donsutherland1; 04-09-15 at 12:07 PM.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Well, look at the bright side. Netanyahu gets what he wants which is Iran being no further from a bomb than they were a year ago. That's what he wanted right?


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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    What does that have to do with his comments today and to Reuters.....as he isn't speaking to his hardliners.
    He wasn't speaking to Reuters.
    In a speech marking the 35th anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution, Rouhani also attacked economic sanctions imposed by the West as "brutal, illegal and wrong" and said countries in the region had nothing to fear from Iran.

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