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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Add the Iranian Defense Ministers statement:

    http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13940119001292


    and the entire "deal" becomes meaningless.
    Exactly. Once the sanctions are lifted they will never be put back in place because so many European companies are ready to do business with these terrorist killers but 0bama will sign the deal knowing that it will empower Iran to get the bomb and keep spending on their empire building.

    0bama and Kerry have already given tons of aid to this sworn enemy knowing that it will cost American lives.just the idea that we are dealing the way we are with the people who provided the IEDs that killed so many American troops makes me sick but worse is that the Republicans are doing nothing to stop 0bama.It is a little hard to believe that the liberal horde has supported the 0bama gang to this extentbut there are signs that they may slap the Black boy across the face to help Hillary in 2016 but she should be arrested too so the Senate dems may just try to save the country without causing race riots and if "0" doesn't get his way he will play the race card on the dems as he has on the christians that he pretends to be one of.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, humbolt.

    Because of the way it's been worded, it sounds more like a demand than a negotiating tool, and it's meant to look exactly that way, IMO! They're being deliberately outrageous and cheeky for a reason, and I think they're enjoying themselves immensely at the consternation they're causing. Sure, they'd like it their way... who wouldn't? They seem to disregard the fact that it's been their past failure to keep their word that brought sanctions in the first place, and I think they know that there's a 95 percent probability that it's not going to happen. I'm giving the other five percent as a hedge allowing for total stupidity and capitulation on our part, which has to be taken into account, because BHO seems to want this agreement - or any agreement - very badly.
    I agree. All of this is going on based on a calculated "break out" time that could be in error. Iran looks at this as a win either way - by the time anything substantive is negotiated, if it ever is, they may have already achieved their nuclear goal. If they can get sanctions lifted before that's discovered...

    Look, Iran is making deals with China to supply all the oil China wants to buy, so they're not hurting financially. Sure, they'd like access to their billions of dollars tied up with the sanctions - that would be icing on the cake, but they're not exactly counting pennies over there. Israel and some of the other Arab countries are being put in the middle here, though, and I think they might do what they think is best for them. In the end, that's probably what's going to happen anyway, since not only don't they trust Iran, they don't trust us either! My opinion only.
    Agreed again. Given our actions of late, who on the planet trusts us? I don't even trust us.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Agreed. If they refuse then increased sanctions should and I am sure will be imposed.

    Surprised that many missed this key flop.
    Obama says Iran could cut nuke time to near zero in 13 years - Business Insider
    I could be mistaken here, but I believe that advanced centrifuges are already going to be allowed in the framework - just a limited number. Someone with greater knowledge on this subject might shed some light on the centrifuge issue. I'm not holding my breath that calculated breakout times are accurate, anyway. I tend to think not.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    If a deal is signed, its an agreement between Iran and Germany, Russia, France, the UK, China and the US!!!! Not an agreement between Obama and Iran.
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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Agreed. If they refuse then increased sanctions should and I am sure will be imposed.

    Surprised that many missed this key flop.
    Obama says Iran could cut nuke time to near zero in 13 years - Business Insider

    Mornin JF. It appears this is what they think their main gain was. That BO acknowledged that the Iranians will not bow to pressure. From the link itself.


    "Our main gain in the talks was the fact that U.S. President Barack Obama acknowledged that Iranians will not surrender to bullying, sanctions and threats," Rouhani said.

    "It is a triumph for Iran that the first military power in the world has admitted Iranians will not bow to pressure.".....snip~



    This framework understanding.....was to assist in taking the next step to a deal. One that now that many are seeing as a bad deal. Now while this understanding was written up so that both sides could have some sort of understanding to take back to their people. This does not explain the complete misunderstanding on Iran's part of what the US is saying. They know damn well what BO and his people have been running around saying. They didn't have any trouble with the letter they received and understood that fully and completely.

    Yet here they have been from day one when BO.....was flapping out how Historic his way of dealing with Iran was. Disputing some very key talking points that BO and his team have been using. Disputing what our MS media has stated. What other politicians have stated. It hasn't stopped and now they claim victory in taking on the 6 World powers. Despite two of them in their back pocket. So to speak.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I could be mistaken here, but I believe that advanced centrifuges are already going to be allowed in the framework - just a limited number. Someone with greater knowledge on this subject might shed some light on the centrifuge issue. I'm not holding my breath that calculated breakout times are accurate, anyway. I tend to think not.
    : The numbers are all over the board - from months to years - and North Korea has partnered with them to provide assistance in reaching their goal. Hell, it worked for them under Clinton, so why not try it again! I'm a little surprised that China is allowing North Korea to do this, though, but I'm sure they have their own objectives in mind. No one is that altruistic without a reason, and they do want those islands in the South China sea area back - those they claim have long belonged to them! And wasn't it China that gave us the saying - "may you live in interesting times," which sounds like a blessing, but in fact is a curse!

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Rouhani's comments appeared largely aimed at a domestic audience...........

    Iran 'forever' comments on nuclear program seen as sop to hardliners | Reuters
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : The numbers are all over the board - from months to years - and North Korea has partnered with them to provide assistance in reaching their goal. Hell, it worked for them under Clinton, so why not try it again! I'm a little surprised that China is allowing North Korea to do this, though, but I'm sure they have their own objectives in mind. No one is that altruistic without a reason, and they do want those islands in the South China sea area back - those they claim have long belonged to them! And wasn't it China that gave us the saying - "may you live in interesting times," which sounds like a blessing, but in fact is a curse!
    Hopefully we learned a little something from the NK incident. Doesn't look that way, but I remain hopeful.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Iran's Khamenei breaks silence in nuclear deal, says details are key

    Reuters
    Thu Apr 9, 2015

    Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on Thursday demanded that all sanctions on Iran be lifted at the same time as any final agreement with world powers on curbing Tehran's nuclear program is concluded. His stand on the lifting of sanctions matched earlier comments by Rouhani, who said Iran would only sign a final nuclear accord if all measures imposed over its disputed atomic work are lifted on the same day. These include nuclear-related United Nations resolutions as well as U.S. and EU nuclear-related economic sanctions.

    "All sanctions should be removed when the deal is signed. If the sanctions removal depends on other processes, then why did we start the negotiations?" Khamenei said.

    The United States and its Western allies say it is vital that Iran fully cooperate with a U.N. International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) investigation into past nuclear activities that could be related to making weapons. Iran for its part has said that "possible military dimensions" (PMD) are an issue it will not budge on. "PMD is out of the question. It cannot be discussed," an Iranian official said. This issue has not been resolved. Khamenei ruled out any "extraordinary supervision measures" over Iran's nuclear activities. "Iran's military sites cannot be inspected under the excuse of nuclear supervision," he said.
    The "fact sheet" released by the US stated that Iran would be limited to its IR-1 centrifuges. Some Iranian officials are now claiming that they can utilize their IR-8 centrifuges which are 20x more efficient than the IR-1.

    If these publicly stated regime positions on sanctions and inspections are entrenched and nonnegotiable, then I consider continuing the negotiations to be utterly pointless. I could never support any such devil's bargain.

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    Re: Iran will only sign nuclear deal if sanctions lifted 'same day': Rouhani

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Rouhani's comments appeared largely aimed at a domestic audience...........

    Iran 'forever' comments on nuclear program seen as sop to hardliners | Reuters

    What does that have to do with his comments today and to Reuters.....as he isn't speaking to his hardliners.

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