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Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

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I'll say again, what about the misses that outnumber the hits by 2:1, what if they hit innocent bystanders? The rational you're using for HP's is exactly the opposite when dealing with projectiles that don't hit a suspect first.

And what # of those misses did hit bystanders? And how many weapon discharges happened inside or towards buildings or cars where the HPs would indeed save innocent lives?

I remember that one incident outside the Empire State Building a few yrs ago...that was outside and like 9 bystanders were hit :doh One does pray that's an aberration but I dont know. Cops do miss alot. IMO the Empire State incident was a training problem, not a shooting problem. But HPs help protect anyone with some sort of barrier between the cops and them.
 
Several years ago several NYPD cops began shooting at a gun wielding suspect on the streets, with crowds, and IIRC hit at least 2 bystanders.

Of course, those Glock New York triggers did not help, either.

Still pretty pathetic marksmanship.

ETA - This NYPD shoot bystanders; unarmed target gets charged with assault - Salon.com

Anecdotal, but yea, I know lots of cops, including my uncle-in-law who is chief of Police in Bowling Green VA. Of the cops I know (friends and family) they all say the same thing. A lot of cops don't practice, and even more don't practice under stress. Shooting a paper target at 30' and shotting a person who's trying to kill you is much, much different. Training in high stress environments is a must and is one of the reasons cops do such bizarre things when they are under stress.

Kinda like being able to throw a football 50 yards does not make one a good quarterback.
 
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And again, this has already been debated.
No impact injury sustained contributed to his not being able to breath.
This was already shown.

What are you referring to? Who and what proved the coroner wrong?

Wrong.
This has already been debated and you are far from reality.

I must say, it is horribly boring to debate you and reminds me why I ignored you in the first place. You give no substance. You declare someone as "WRONG!" with no backing. *Yawn*



If it is an image of his injuries, you are wrong.

Yes. Injuries delivered by the officers.


Your position is lame, and just shows you are incapable of understanding of the circumstance involved.

Once again, *YAWN*
 
I'm not saying that I'm necessarily right. perhaps cops should keep both FMJ's and HP's, maybe HP's save lives as they are more likely to be stopped by walls, car doors ect....I'm just saying, this isn't a slam dunk issue.

Most issues are not black and white, as much as people on Internet forums and politicians would like to believe they are.

Most require a balance of weighing all the factors and then making the best decision. IMO that's how they chose HPs.
 
And what # of those misses did hit bystanders? And how many weapon discharges happened inside or towards buildings or cars where the HPs would indeed save innocent lives?

I remember that one incident outside the Empire State Building a few yrs ago...that was outside and like 9 bystanders were hit :doh One does pray that's an aberration but I dont know. Cops do miss alot. IMO the Empire State incident was a training problem, not a shooting problem. But HPs help protect anyone with some sort of barrier between the cops and them.

A fair and excellent question. Its a shame the government doesn't keep these kinds of statistics so we could objectively decide which is the better bullet.
 
No I'm saying that wounds caused by FMJ's are less devastating, which is why we don't use them in war.

From a warfare point of view, a wounded soldier who is incapacitated is better than a dead soldier as the wounded require men and resources to care for.

I've read this before. Not sure I buy that it's still relevant today, at least to the extent it was in the past. Esp. against non-regimented and formal military fighters like in the ME. (with less medic support)
 
Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the reason why Politifact issues more "pants on fire" to Republicans than Democrats is because maybe....just maybe.....Republicans tend to tell more lies?


I am sure according to your true beliefs, that it must be true. as neither a republican or a democrat, I can tell you it seems about the same to me, surely not "9 times" in either direction.


I'm sure that you probably wouldn't give that any consideration and would dismiss anything that doesn't fit your right-wing world view.

you "the right wingerz r teh lairz"

me "seems from my libertarian viewpoint the repulicans and democrats lie about the same, and often"


but hey, 9 times man republicans must lie 9 times as much. Are you for real? /facepalm


Sorry...but politifact calls it and disses on left-wing as well as right-wing. You can dismiss them all you want it doesn't change the facts.

I gave you the evidence, if you want to suggest that because they have "fact" in thier name that makes it so, there is nothing I can do to change your naivety on the matter.


Your sig is funny.
 
Someone was obviously yanking your chain.



No, I am serious, almost what 30 years ago, 98% on the test, was told flat out I wasn't black or a woman, so "sorry"....


Dinkins expanded the plan after that as well.
 
No, I am serious, almost what 30 years ago, 98% on the test, was told flat out I wasn't black or a woman, so "sorry"....


Dinkins expanded the plan after that as well.

Very true. At that time I worked for a large company and was told that we white guys would be slowed down in terms of career advancement in favor of minorities and blacks. I resigned and went into business for myself. Best move I ever made.
 
Bizarre rules of war have been in place since CNN started beaming back real time video from the front lines.

There are few things more ubiquitous on the right than blaming Obama for virtually anything and everything. Coffee shortage, it's Obama, school lunch pizza takes like ****-on-a-shingle, it's Obama's fault, Miley Cyrus miss her period, Obama's fault.

Frankly I think it's comical.

It is a 'what goes around, comes around' type of deal. The left was blaming Bush because he was not directly over-seeing the night-crew at Abu Ghraib. And the s*%t they are serving at school lunches is can be directly blamed on the Mooch.
 
Probably just another gun nut where the use of firearms is envied admired and fetishised at any and every opportunity :(

This is a peculiarly American phenomenon

Less a gun nut and more of a "cops never do anything bad" nut...
 
Probably just another gun nut where the use of firearms is envied admired and fetishised at any and every opportunity :(

This is a peculiarly American phenomenon




That's dumb... We gun owners for the vast majority of us, are for strong police reform and cringe at things like this video.

It is wrong on so many levels.
 
With this video and the 3 major lies this cop told? He'd be very smart if he takes a plea, and gets put into solitary for 5-7 years. when he gets out everyone will have forgot about it, and he'll still have some of his life to live.. But if he fights it, and it goes to trail, that will piss people off, on both sides. Then he gets convicted and gets a 15-25 year sentence his life is going to be even more of a hell.

Then I hope he fights it and loses.
 
Honestly? I dont. I think he deserves some level of a murder charge. His decision and actions were deliberate and the *personal* impression I get from the video is that he just couldnt be bothered to run after the man and restrain him. He (dead guy) was a big guy, it would have been a PIA probably, with some risk as in any physical encounter however cops are trained and expected to do deal with this.

So just *my* impression from the video is a complete disregard for a life and a lazy POS cop that couldnt be bothered to do his job properly.

What angers me most is that he tried (as least that was how it looks to me) to pervert the course of justice by moving the taser to make his story of having to defend himself with lethal force legally acceptable. Luckily he was being filmed so his dishonest behavior was documented for all of us to see.
 
Just send this sucker to Ferguson as a cop with a cap gun. Let's see how he does.
 
I am sure according to your true beliefs, that it must be true. as neither a republican or a democrat, I can tell you it seems about the same to me, surely not "9 times" in either direction.


you "the right wingerz r teh lairz"

me "seems from my libertarian viewpoint the repulicans and democrats lie about the same, and often"


but hey, 9 times man republicans must lie 9 times as much. Are you for real? /facepalm




I gave you the evidence, if you want to suggest that because they have "fact" in thier name that makes it so, there is nothing I can do to change your naivety on the matter.


Your sig is funny.


You gave "evidence"? Hardly. An op-ed piece written by a well known right-winger who wrote for the national review is hardly "evidence". Be that as it may....I've heard the same rhetoric from people on all sides of the spectrum. I, absolutely, am left-wing. I don't try to attempt to hide my biases by adopting labels to somehow try to make it seem as if I have no bias, like some try to do. I also recognize that there is left-wing propaganda and there is right-wing propaganda. But to try to pidgoen-hole politifact as a biased liberal shill is a joke. I don't always agree with politifact, but they are one of the most credible sites out there. Sorry.
 
Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the reason why Politifact issues more "pants on fire" to Republicans than Democrats is because maybe....just maybe.....Republicans tend to tell more lies?



I'm sure that you probably wouldn't give that any consideration and would dismiss anything that doesn't fit your right-wing world view.


Sorry....but politifact calls it and disses on left-wing as well as right-wing. You can dismiss them all you want it doesn't change the facts.

Just to point out the flaws in the research..

First.. they researched selected the articles..
University of Minnesota political science professor Eric Ostermeier did an analysis of 511 selected PolitiFact stories issued from January 2010 through January 2011. He said "PolitiFact has generally devoted an equal amount of time analyzing Republicans (191 statements, 50.4 percent) as they have Democrats (179 stories, 47.2 percent)..." Republican officeholders were considered by Politifact to have made substantially more "false" or "pants on fire" statements than their Democratic counterparts

Secondly.. Politifact decides what stories they wish to do...

So the fact that they do about the same republican vs democrat is meaningless.. If they have a liberal bias.. they could simply print republican stories that were "pants on fire".. to show that republicans were false.. and they could choose democrat stories that "were true".. in order to show democrats were more truthful.
 
Any cop that pulls people over because their middle brake light is out is just looking to fill a ticket quota.
 
Any cop that pulls people over because their middle brake light is out is just looking to fill a ticket quota.

I disagree. Courtesy. I've been pulled for it and didn't get a ticket. Was quite happy. It IS a road hazard. Just like driving without 2 headlights.
 
I disagree. Courtesy. I've been pulled for it and didn't get a ticket. Was quite happy. It IS a road hazard. Just like driving without 2 headlights.

No it isn't. Third brake lights are relatively new. We survived without them. Cop just looking for a reason to write a ticket.
 
No it isn't. Third brake lights are relatively new. We survived without them. Cop just looking for a reason to write a ticket.

Sure it is. Required on all vehicles after 1986. Why? Because it increases visibility from the rear. Sure. It is minor. But it is important.
 
Then I hope he fights it and loses.

So do I, but with everything going against him he'd do himself a lot of good if he pleas out. If someone is on his Jury, and sees that video, PLUS adds in all his lies, there's no way he's walking. He should just plea to a reduced sentence and get it over with.
 
Sure it is. Required on all vehicles after 1986. Why? Because it increases visibility from the rear. Sure. It is minor. But it is important.

And it's the law. It has to be there so it should be there. Now if someone could fix the light on the spot then maybe I would be willing to let the driver get off with a warning but that is all down to the police officer and whether he believes the light just broke. Because it is everybody's duty to check the lights regularly to make sure this kind of a thing does not happen.

I make it a habit to stop and inform people if one of their lights is broken. Even if I have to drive to that person on a parking lot and it's costing me some time. I would like it if people warned me my light is broken so I could do something about it and avoid causing a hazard/getting a ticket.
 
Sure it is. Required on all vehicles after 1986. Why? Because it increases visibility from the rear. Sure. It is minor. But it is important.

Very minor, just a convenient excuse an officer can use. Not important, the other two lights worked.
 
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