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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Wrong. To qualify as a civilian, one must be unaffiliated w/any kind of military role, regardless of whether that military is called the "police force" of the national military.

    Since US cops are already militarized, they serve in a military role and are therefore not civilians.
    No, just because they are armed with military weapons doesnt mean they are military, to be military you have to fall under UCMJ and cops are not under that, they are civilians.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I think we can guess how things would have played out if not for that video.
    The video will not cause the cop to be convicted. However, it will guarantee a sizeable sum in a civil lawsuit and/or settlement.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    No, just because they are armed with military weapons doesnt mean they are military
    Whether they're officially designated "military" or fall under the UCMJ is irrelevant. To qualify as civilian, one must not serve in any military role.

    However, in the US, cops today do serve as a domestic military force. Therefore, they're not civilians.

    The only way cops can be civilians is if they were de-militarized.

    The fundamental problem in the US is that cops are still subject to the civilian justice system in spite of their military role, and that creates problems.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    No, just because they are armed with military weapons doesnt mean they are military, to be military you have to fall under UCMJ and cops are not under that, they are civilians.
    Here's the flaw in that logic: suppose, hypothetically, that Congress passed a law that no longer made US military members subject to the UCMJ.

    By your definition, then, members of the US military would automatically become civilians.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This happens. Not all the time, but it does happen. And when it does, it SHOULD be investigated, prosecuted where warranted, and punished accordingly.

    But the only time it matters (and the OP so very clearly illustrates it) is when it is a WHITE cop and a black victim.

    Not a ton of outrage when it is a white guy shot by a cop. or a Latino. And if the cop is black? Fuggedaboudit....




    But what do the headlines say in THIS case?

    "Video Shows Officer Michael Slager Shooting Unarmed Black Man In The Back In South Carolina"

    Cause it only matters when the victim is a black man.
    And yet another right winger posts links to the media reporting on a story to prove that such stories are ignored.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Whether they're officially designated "military" or fall under the UCMJ is irrelevant. To qualify as civilian, one must not serve in any military role.

    However, in the US, cops today do serve as a domestic military force. Therefore, they're not civilians.

    The only way cops can be civilians is if they were de-militarized.

    The fundamental problem in the US is that cops are still subject to the civilian justice system in spite of their military role, and that creates problems.
    Nearly.
    I looked up civilian and military in several dictionaries and civilian does not mean 'not military'. Picking Merriam-Websters as an example, a civilian is, " a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force". They all agree that military has to do with armed forces.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    95% chance the cop is acquitted, unless the Feds get involved.
    What do you base that on?
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Here's the flaw in that logic: suppose, hypothetically, that Congress passed a law that no longer made US military members subject to the UCMJ.

    By your definition, then, members of the US military would automatically become civilians.
    There is no hypothetical when it comes to UCMJ- that is what separates military from civilian. Its as simple as that.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    TRANSLATION: over on some right wing websites, they are defending this cop. sigh
    I can think of at least one usual suspect here that would.

    Shouldnt have to wait long.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I know that "impossible to hack" isn't achievable. "Very hard to hack without making it obvious" is do-able and should suffice most of the time, I'd think.
    Some protection will be that in many cases, the police depts wont know if there are public videos out there, with videos that will conflict with theirs.
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