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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This happens. Not all the time, but it does happen. And when it does, it SHOULD be investigated, prosecuted where warranted, and punished accordingly.

    But the only time it matters (and the OP so very clearly illustrates it) is when it is a WHITE cop and a black victim.

    Not a ton of outrage when it is a white guy shot by a cop. or a Latino. And if the cop is black? Fuggedaboudit....

    But what do the headlines say in THIS case?

    "Video Shows Officer Michael Slager Shooting Unarmed Black Man In The Back In South Carolina"

    Cause it only matters when the victim is a black man.
    The color of the victim seems to be more important when s/he is Black. In many other cases color, or race, is never mentioned.

    This shouldn't interfere with the other facts of the case. The officer, if guilty, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law but making it about race, again, does not serve any public good.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    As it says, he's been arrested and charged with murder. As should be.
    If there wasn't a cell phone video he would likely get away with it. The video shows the cop placing his stung gun near the body.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    They're already militarized, so it's irrelevant.
    It is irrelevant that you want to further justify that they are not civilian?

    They already are, so that's also irrelevant.
    No. Further justifying that is not ok.

    Constitutional rights were intended for the People, not cops. Errant cops can be dealt with in tribunals, which are more cost-effective for taxpayers than civilian trials.
    Constitutional rights were intended for civilians. At the writing of the constitution there were no police. Additionally police are not military.

    The ends justifying the means is not realistic. It is not Justice.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It is irrelevant that you want to further justify that they are not civilian?



    No. Further justifying that is not ok.



    Constitutional rights were intended for civilians.
    Cops are not civilians; they're armed agents of the local govt. Armed govt. agents should never have the same rights as the People. To allow them the same rights compromises freedoms.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I really don't share your contempt for police or authority. Rather, it is how the legal system tends to work for police, but that is largely due to the public itself. Often, politicians are treated more harshly now than ordinary citizens for the publicity.
    OK, yeah. You go ahead and keep believing government employees like politicians are treated MORE HARSHLY than the average citizen. I'll be over here laughing at you.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    OK, yeah. You go ahead and keep believing government employees like politicians are treated MORE HARSHLY than the average citizen. I'll be over here laughing at you.
    Um. What happens to cops in jail? People try to shoot politicians. Their personal life is aired. Even the regular day to day government workers are treated like crap. I mean...often times they are crappy workers, but I've seen some people treat government people like crap. Usually because they are bound by stupid laws they have no control over.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Cops are not civilians; they're armed agents of the local govt. Armed govt. agents should never have the same rights as the People. To allow them the same rights compromises freedoms.
    They ARE civilians. Anyone not actively serving in the military is a civilian. Working for the government and being armed doesn't make you NOT a civilian. Nor does it trump your rights as a citizen.

    Your argument is that rights of civilians should be canceled because those rights "compromise" freedom of other civilians. You are arguing that some individual's freedoms don't matter.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    This happens. Not all the time, but it does happen. And when it does, it SHOULD be investigated, prosecuted where warranted, and punished accordingly.

    But the only time it matters (and the OP so very clearly illustrates it) is when it is a WHITE cop and a black victim.

    Not a ton of outrage when it is a white guy shot by a cop. or a Latino. And if the cop is black? Fuggedaboudit....




    But what do the headlines say in THIS case?

    "Video Shows Officer Michael Slager Shooting Unarmed Black Man In The Back In South Carolina"

    Cause it only matters when the victim is a black man.
    It means something because he was pulled over and he was driving a nice car. There is a term for that, "driving while black", and it happens a lot. Yeah, it is relevant.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    They ARE civilians. Anyone not actively serving in the military is a civilian.
    Wrong. To qualify as a civilian, one must be unaffiliated w/any kind of military role, regardless of whether that military is called the "police force" of the national military.

    Since US cops are already militarized, they serve in a military role and are therefore not civilians.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    I think we can guess how things would have played out if not for that video.

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