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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    He said that towards the end of the war if a person was walking towards him with a weapon he would have to wait until the actual weapon was pointed at him, or shots fired before he could respond.
    That is more of a sad commentary on Obama's disdain for the military and appeasement of the enemy. Yes putting soldiers is harms way then hand-cuffing them with such sniveling rules of engagement is disdain and contempt to the military.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    After reading pretty much the entire thread (48 pages), watching the video at least 5 times, reading 3 different articles from three different sources concerning the shooting and now watching the dash-cam video of the initial routine traffic stop (see video below), I could find no concrete evidence to support claims that Officer Slager's life was in danger or any justification for Mr. Scott being shot to death. Here are the facts based on video footage (both on the scene of the shooting and during the traffic stop) and from information as reported by HuffingtonPost.com (see OP) and NYTimes.com:

    - Mr. Walter Scott was stopped by Officer Slager on a routine traffic violation - a broken taillight.

    - Mr. Scott did not have proper documentation (i.e., bill of sale, vehicle registration, proof of insurance) to prove that he had purchased the vehicle he was driving (a used Mercedes-Benz) or was in the process of purchasing the vehicle.

    - Officer Slager was in the process of verifying Mr. Scott's ID when Mr. Scott fled from his vehicle on foot.

    - During the foot chase, you can hear Officer Slager shout "Get on the ground," in the dash-cam video.

    - From the original video that captures the shooting, you initially see Mr. Scott and Officer Slager standing calmly facing each other.

    - It's barely audible, but if you listen closely around the 12-18 second mark, you can hear Officer Slager warn Mr. Scott, "If you [flee?] I will shoot you".

    - Within seconds, Mr. Scott attempts to flee the scene for the second time. If you watch closely, you'll notice the tether wire from Officer Slager's stun gun extends between Mr. Scott and Officer Slagere as Mr. Scott is fleeing. This at least confirms that Officer Slager did discharge his stun gun during the initial chase.

    - Ms. Scott tosses something on the ground prior to fleeing the second time. It's unclear if this was Officer Slager's stun gun as he alleges that Mr. Scott had taken it or if it's something else. (But let's go with it was Officer Slager's stun gun as it appears that the object Officer Slager retrieves and tosses next to Mr. Scott's body was in the shape of a "gun".)

    - Officer Slager fires 8 rounds, 3 of which reportedly hits Mr. Scott in the back(side).

    - Officer Slager neither attempts to pursue Mr. Scott as he attempts to flee the scene a second time, nor does he call for backup to inform other police in the area that he was pursuing his victim. He does, however, report that shots were fired after the fact.

    - Officer Slager goes back to spot where he and Mr. Scott initially stopped and picks up whatever was dropped. He is filmed seconds later dropping the same item next to Mr. Scott's body (which he later retrieves after a second police officer comes onto the scene).

    - Officer Slager makes no attempt to resuscitate Mr. Scott when it becomes clear the victim has become non-responsive. (You see Officer Slager check Mr. Scott at his neck for a pulse with two fingers on his left hand, but that's all he does as far as checking Mr. Scott for signs of life.)

    Dash Cam Footage of Walter Scott - Video - NYTimes.com

    Two questions:

    1. If Mr. Scott had taken Officer Slager's taser as he alleges AND he believed his life was in danger, why didn't he cuff Mr. Scott immediately after he had initially stopped him?

    2. If Mr. Scott had taken Officer Slager's taser, why didn't he retrieve it immediately after stopping him once the initial pursuit had ended?

    It seems obvious to me that the above would have been the obvious things to do as a cop when a perp takes your weapon of any sort - you subdue him and retrieve your gear. Why was neither of these things done?

    Regardless of why Mr. Scott ran, nothing on either video warranted him being shot. Mr. Scott did not appear to be a threat to Officer Slager. The fact that they are initially standing face-to-face AND Mr. Scott is not in handcuffs after the initial pursuit gives strong indication this was a non-violent, non-threatening situation.

    IMO, Officer Slager was rightfully charged with murder.
    I understand this. I understand it if all true it will lead to the officer being convicted of murder.

    it still doesn't allow me to have an ounce of remorse or sorrow for the victim. If you run from an officer, are caught, are warned not to run again or you will be shot, and you run again, as far as I'm concerned whatever happens after that is on the victim. He took his chances and(unfortunately) paid the price for it. If you or I were in that EXACT SAME situation, and chose to flee, we take our lives in our own hands. and we are AWARE we are doing it, so there is no victim in my honest opinion.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    I understand this. I understand it if all true it will lead to the officer being convicted of murder.

    it still doesn't allow me to have an ounce of remorse or sorrow for the victim. If you run from an officer, are caught, are warned not to run again or you will be shot, and you run again, as far as I'm concerned whatever happens after that is on the victim. He took his chances and(unfortunately) paid the price for it. If you or I were in that EXACT SAME situation, and chose to flee, we take our lives in our own hands. and we are AWARE we are doing it, so there is no victim in my honest opinion.
    It is very apparent that you have no knowledge of the U.S. legal system.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Right, but let's think about all those times when there wasn't a video camera. The department said on the news that 'there were no witnesses except that video, and without it, they'd never know what really happened.
    What about all those times where people are trying making a Racial mountain out of a color blind mole hill.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    What specifically makes it a "half truth"

    Politifact is notoriously biased, so you would have to convince me where I am wrong.
    Politifact is biased? Where did you come up with that? They are probably the LEAST biased source out there. If you bothered to look at the link you would see that the claim you made, perpetuated by Bill O'Reilly and other right-wing radio propogandists, is technically correct. However, when you see that there are 5x as many whites in America as blacks you see that it is disproportionately blacks who are killed by police.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, you are denying what is obvious for all to see.
    Wrong.
    You are assuming that which you can not. And ignoring that at the moment he was drawing his firearm the suspect was a threat.
    It is what he was responding to.
    But of course you sadly wish to ignore that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Even Judge Napolitano said it :
    OMG!
    Judge Napolitano is not the dictator of what did and didn't happen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Everyone is wrong except you it seems. Almost everybody clearly sees the officer committing homicide by shooting an unarmed and non dangerous man.
    Most folks have not payed attention to the video showing the guy throwing the taser down or considering the circumstances his taking it caused.

    He was clearly a threat when he had it which you want to conveniently disregard in your rush to judgement.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, it is pointing to your denial of even the most basic facts:
    Wrong.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    1. the victim was unarmed
    2. he was not a danger to anybody whatsoever
    Again, this is you ignoring reality that he took the taser and made himself a threat.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Wow, I didn't know until it was pointed out? What that it is illegal for police officers to shoot unarmed people who flee and pose no threat to anyone in the back? Yeah, I already knew that.
    This is you ignoring that the quote pointed out that it isn't illegal when the suspect is a threat just as this suspect was.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I would assume you have not seen this video once or you would not be posting utter untruths about this case time and time again.
    Sad. I haven't posted any untruths, while you sure have made things up.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The man was at the moment of the first shot being fired, no danger whatsoever and to say otherwise is denying the reality of what is on that video.
    Wrong.
    You have to show that the Officer knew he threw the taser down to even make such an argument.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Even Ben Carson ...
    Irrelevant.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The boss of this police officer has called it sickening what his officer did to that poor man.
    Irrelevant.
    Also irrelevant, and apparently he didn't analyze the video. Had he, he would have seen they had been on the ground before hand and that the suspect had taken the Officers taser making the suspect a threat at the moment the Officer was reaching for his firearm.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But I guess you are one of the few who sees it "like it is" and the rest of us is just talking nonsense Sorry, but you denials and distortions do not add up to a truthful story.
    Well when you show everybody like you have that you have not bothered to analyze the video, make things up and make false assertions, it is obvious that you are not seeing it "like it is". D'oh!


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, being 20 feet away with your back turned to the officer you are not a threat and to say that he is is and obvious untruth.
    Irrelevant.
    He was responding to a threat. You fire until the threat ceases to be a threat. That is when he stops moving.

    Again, if you do not like that, lobby to get that changed.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Anyone who thinks that there is a strong vein of racism that infects the police force of pretty much every major city in America is fooling themselves.
    You are either living in a very small town or under a rock.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Says who? Says you? Because there is zero evidence for that.
    This is you not paying attention to the video. It is clear he threw it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The taser was on the ground and a non-issue in the shooting homicide of this man.
    He was already drawing before the taser hit the ground, showing that the Officer was responding to his taking the taser.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You can tell yourself that until you are blue in the face but even a judge says that is nonsense.
    His combativeness and taking of the taser makes him a threat.
    No judge would say otherwise, nor did he.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    And again. Pay attention. At the point in time the Officer was responding to a known threat. To say otherwise you are going to have to show the Officer knew the suspect relived himself of the weapon.
    No, running away from the officer with absolutely nothing in his hands is not a threat to that officer and to say anything else like I have said here before is nonsense.
    This was never a threat when he started shooting. Your story does not hold water, it is totally in direct contradiction to the facts.
    Wrong. The Officer was responding to a threat. You are going to have to show that the Officer knew he threw the taser to say otherwise.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He had no business picking anything up and he most certainly did not have any business throwing it besides the victim. He contaminated the crime-scene and did not follow any police procedure known to man.
    You have no business assuming.
    You do not know what or if.

    All you are doing is assuming. Why can't you recognize that?


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    That is your opinion, I think you are not just a little bit wrong but extremely and completely wrong.

    Obviously you do not understand what the word "may" means.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Wrong, it was factual, unlike your claims and assertions.
    Wrong again.
    It was all your nonsense as stated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And you should learn the difference between being a threat (like the guy in Ferguson was) and someone who was no threat whatsoever (which is what we have in this case).
    Oy vey! Again showing that you do not understand the difference between an actual threat and a perceived one and that their is no difference in how you respond to them.

    The Officer was correct in his perception that the suspect was lethal threat to his person when he took the taser, as such was allowed to respond to the threat with lethal force.
    Again, you are going to have to show that the Officer knew he threw the taser while he was in the middle of responding to the threat to show he shouldn't have responded the way he did.


    As for not being like Ferguson. : iLOL
    It is definitely like Ferguson in that people are jumping to conclusions and not looking at the totality of the evidence like you are doing.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    It is very apparent that you have no knowledge of the U.S. legal system.
    read the first sentence in my post. I said he will be found guilty. Does your "knowledge of the legal system" tell you something different?

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    I understand this. I understand it if all true it will lead to the officer being convicted of murder.

    it still doesn't allow me to have an ounce of remorse or sorrow for the victim. If you run from an officer, are caught, are warned not to run again or you will be shot, and you run again, as far as I'm concerned whatever happens after that is on the victim. He took his chances and(unfortunately) paid the price for it. If you or I were in that EXACT SAME situation, and chose to flee, we take our lives in our own hands. and we are AWARE we are doing it, so there is no victim in my honest opinion.
    Well thankfully we have far more people that disagree with you, including the police chief. Did you hear that Slager has been charged with murder, apparently authorities didn't agree that Scott's running away twice was grounds for being killed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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