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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    How's your throwing arm.

    My question was how did this escalate from a broken tail light traffic stop? I said we don't have the facts to the origin of this and likely we will never know for sure. Yes, it is truly a shame the video didn't include the initial confrontation. And that all very well may be something to ponder for most but all we do have is the video which shows without question a unjustified shooting and odd response afterwards.
    I'll ask you the same question I asked DA60.

    Speculate for me and tell me a scenario where the shooting of a man moving away, with his back to the officer, approx 20ft at the time of the shooting. We know Mr. Scott didn't possess a gun, or it would have been mentioned in the officer's report. So please, speculate for me, under what circumstances could you imagine that might of taken place that would have justified what we saw.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Yeeess, but does this not fit the scenarios that are probably not reported?


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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yeah, it seems logic seems go out the door when this kind of discussion is going on (from both sides to some extend even) and in some cases I am going to have to err on the side of the police officer (that is usually the case, without clear and real evidence to persuade me differently) but in that case there cannot be anything on the side of the police officer. What he did is clearly illegal and not defendable in any way shape or form.
    Hmm... can you tell or show us what occurred prior to the video provided in the OP? Basing your entire case on what happened after the suspect decided to flee is assuming that the shooting was a direct result of only that action. One could assume that a confrontation of some sort preceded that decision and caused the bystander (witness?) to start recording the affair. I am of the opinion that shooting someone in the back as they are fleeing is usually unjustified but that there may be circumstances where that action is legal. Just because you don't know what preceded the decision to shoot a fleeing perp does not make it indefensible - that is exactly why we have trials.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am of the opinion that shooting someone in the back as they are fleeing is usually unjustified but that there may be circumstances where that action is legal. Just because you don't know what preceded the decision to shoot a fleeing perp does not make it indefensible - that is exactly why we have trials.
    What could there be prior to the start of the video which could have an impact on whether or not the fleeing Scott was a grave and imminent danger to the officer or the community at large?
    Well...I mean a something which could have that sort of an impact AND which the officer may have forgotten to mention?


    Obviously if Scott said he was running off to his secret Mad Scientist Lab to release his flying poison spraying robotonator on the tri-state area and Slager had reason to believe this was a real thing, that'd be reason for shooting Scott.
    However, it seems Slager would have led with that tidbit.

    So is there something which
    a) could have been likely to occurr prior to the beginning of the video recording which would have an impact on the propriety of shooting someone in the back?
    and
    b) is likely to have been something which Slager would have failed to mention already?


    At the moment, my imagination fails me.
    But I am open to ideas from the more insightful and creative among us.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nothing in this post indicates you are open to anything other than complete guilt of the officer. That is clear.
    You couldn't imagine any such situation either?

    Hopefully, the defense can imagine something which would
    mitigate/justify shooting the fleeing Scott in the back
    AND
    be something the officer might forget to mention.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What could there be prior to the start of the video which could have an impact on whether or not the fleeing Scott was a grave and imminent danger to the officer or the community at large?
    Well...I mean a something which could have that sort of an impact AND which the officer may have forgotten to mention?


    Obviously if Scott said he was running off to his secret Mad Scientist Lab to release his flying poison spraying robotonator on the tri-state area and Slager had reason to believe this was a real thing, that'd be reason for shooting Scott.
    However, it seems Slager would have led with that tidbit.

    So is there something which
    a) could have been likely to occurr prior to the beginning of the video recording which would have an impact on the propriety of shooting someone in the back?
    and
    b) is likely to have been something which Slager would have failed to mention already?


    At the moment, my imagination fails me.
    But I am open to ideas from the more insightful and creative among us.

    You couldn't imagine any such situation either?

    Hopefully, the defense can imagine something which would
    mitigate/justify shooting the fleeing Scott in the back
    AND
    be something the officer might forget to mention.
    You make a very good point. The fact that the officer used the "taking" of his non-lethal stun gun, as his justification for the shooting, which he later moved to be near the (then dead) suspect makes me doubt his chances for a successful defense.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    How is there 40 pages of debate on this video? This is an open and shut case, literally nothing to argue about.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by csbrown28 View Post
    I'll ask you the same question I asked DA60.

    Speculate for me and tell me a scenario where the shooting of a man moving away, with his back to the officer, approx 20ft at the time of the shooting. We know Mr. Scott didn't possess a gun, or it would have been mentioned in the officer's report. So please, speculate for me, under what circumstances could you imagine that might of taken place that would have justified what we saw.
    One would think a shooting would have been justified to stop a perp from committing a violent deadly act on the officer or public. Neither of these were seen in the video. By the officer's calm approach to the prone victim it doesn't appear the perp is threatening at all. The officer doesn't even look for any weapon on the perp.

    I would hate to have to be the defense attorney for the officer. I find it hard that a 33 year old policeman could not outrun what looks like a slow jog by this 50 year old man. That's is just crazy.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I would hate to have to be the defense attorney for the officer.
    His original attorney is no longer representing him I noticed.
    The case turned into a different kind of case after the video surfaced.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    It appears that the general consensus of posters here that the shooting was unjustified.

    The question is if there was no video taken would have any of the other officers questioned the shooting? Of course no way to know but it makes you wonder.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... can you tell or show us what occurred prior to the video provided in the OP? Basing your entire case on what happened after the suspect decided to flee is assuming that the shooting was a direct result of only that action. One could assume that a confrontation of some sort preceded that decision and caused the bystander (witness?) to start recording the affair. I am of the opinion that shooting someone in the back as they are fleeing is usually unjustified but that there may be circumstances where that action is legal. Just because you don't know what preceded the decision to shoot a fleeing perp does not make it indefensible - that is exactly why we have trials.
    Nope, it does not, it totally does not.

    It does not matter that the maybe even slapped the officer and then ran away, he still was an unarmed man who was running away and not a threat to anybody at all.

    Sorry but there is no conceivable action that this 50 year old man could have done after being stopped with a broken tail light to take your gun out and shoot an unarmed man 8 times in the back.

    There is no defense for something that has no legal, moral or acceptable excuse/reason or defense. Gunning down an unarmed, non threatening suspect is not legal.
    Wilders is a piece of gutter trash, a gutless populist who has no morality to speak of.

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