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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The job of the police is arresting someone, not being judge and jury.

    And trying to get away from a cop should not lead to gunning down. Police officers in countless countries around the world and in loads of cities in the US can deal with a suspect running away from them after pulling free from an officer without using a gun, much less kill them.

    I am very pro-police officer safety but then their safety has to be in danger, not like in this case.
    I agree with you that this officer was wrong. BUT, the SCOTUS has upheld that police are justified in shooting a fleeing suspect.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    There is consequences for assaulting a law enforcement officer. You can do time in jail and fined. The officer does not have the right to be the judge and decide the punishment.

    Unfortunately we do not have the initial interaction of the two men. There was no reason for the person with the video camera to film just an ordinary traffic stop. The victim is dead and has the word of the police officer is not reliable at all. For a broken tail light offense this sure got offensive for some reason. Did one of the two men have a badass attitude or did they both have a badass attitude?
    The only thing we have is this video and the officer's demeanor is very damaging to his case.
    That's classic Monday morning quaterbacking. And without having ALL the facts to boot.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Did one of the two men have a badass attitude or did they both have a badass attitude?
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's classic Monday morning quaterbacking. And without having ALL the facts to boot.
    What could there be prior to the start of the video which could have an impact on whether or not the fleeing Scott was a grave and imminent danger to the officer or the community at large?
    Well...I mean a something which could have that sort of an impact AND which the officer may have forgotten to mention?

    Obviously if Scott said he was running off to his secret Mad Scientist Lab to release his flying poison spraying robotonator on the tri-state area and Slager had reason to believe this was a real thing, that'd be reason for shooting Scott.
    However, it seems Slager would have led with that tidbit.

    So is there something which
    a) could have been likely to occurr prior to the beginning of the video recording which would have an impact on the propriety of shooting someone in the back?
    and
    b) is likely to have been something which Slager would have failed to mention already?

    At the moment, my imagination fails me.
    But I am open to ideas from the more insightful and creative among us.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's classic Monday morning quaterbacking. And without having ALL the facts to boot.
    How's your throwing arm.

    My question was how did this escalate from a broken tail light traffic stop? I said we don't have the facts to the origin of this and likely we will never know for sure. Yes, it is truly a shame the video didn't include the initial confrontation. And that all very well may be something to ponder for most but all we do have is the video which shows without question a unjustified shooting and odd response afterwards.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    What could there be prior to the start of the video which could have an impact on whether or not the fleeing Scott was a grave and imminent danger to the officer or the community at large?
    Well...I mean a something which could have that sort of an impact AND which the officer may have forgotten to mention?

    Obviously if Scott said he was running off to his secret Mad Scientist Lab to release his flying poison spraying robotonator on the tri-state area and Slager had reason to believe this was a real thing, that'd be reason for shooting Scott.
    However, it seems Slager would have led with that tidbit.

    So is there something which
    a) could have been likely to occurr prior to the beginning of the video recording which would have an impact on the propriety of shooting someone in the back?
    and
    b) is likely to have been something which Slager would have failed to mention already?

    At the moment, my imagination fails me.
    But I am open to ideas from the more insightful and creative among us.
    Nothing in this post indicates you are open to anything other than complete guilt of the officer. That is clear.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm posing a question: black folks have been screamin abut this kind of thing and low and behold, one shows up on video. It's like proving a UFO.
    Of course you are assuming. Nobody has ever argued that there are no bad police officers, but using this video to try and prove anything about police officers as a whole is obscene fear mongering.

    Use your same logic on a convenience store video of a robbery by a Hispanic man, would you then conclude that Hispanic men are all criminals?
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    How's your throwing arm.

    My question was how did this escalate from a broken tail light traffic stop? I said we don't have the facts to the origin of this and likely we will never know for sure. Yes, it is truly a shame the video didn't include the initial confrontation. And that all very well may be something to ponder for most but all we do have is the video which shows without question a unjustified shooting and odd response afterwards.
    I don't know, nor could I know what transpired before the video. Neither do you.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Even with a warrant for murder, the actor is a suspect, and innocent under the law until proven otherwise.
    I don't disagree with you. I was just saying there is a precedent where an officer can shoot a fleeing suspect if he believes that the person is a threat to society. I'm not familiar enough with the "rule" to tell you the circumstances under which it is warranted, but I can imagine examples where shooting a fleeing suspect might be justified. In this case, even if Mr. Scott was wanted for murder, I don't think a 50 year old man, without an apparent weapon, running through an open field on a clear day, presented a real credible threat to the officer and that the officer could not have made some attempt to capture Mr. Scott rather than shoot him.

    My argument has always been that the shooting was unjustified and that I can't imagine a circumstance where the officer in this case will be exonerated.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm not assuming anything. I'm posing a question: black folks have been screamin abut this kind of thing and low and behold, one shows up on video. It's like proving a UFO.
    This is but a single incident and has no bearing on other "similar" incidents. Unlike the UFO analogy, not many deny the possibility of police officers committing crimes. Like the UFO analogy, finding one alien spacecraft does not mean that all sitings of "unidentified" flying objects are indeed alien spacecraft.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I agree with you that this officer was wrong. BUT, the SCOTUS has upheld that police are justified in shooting a fleeing suspect.
    Really? Because from what I just read in Tennessee v. Garner from 1985 the SCOTUS held the opinion upright that:

    This case requires us to determine the constitutionality of the use of deadly force to prevent the escape of an apparently unarmed suspected felon. We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.
    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/fed...71/1/case.html

    And in this case the suspect was not a felon. He was running and if the officer ran after him over an open field there was an excellent chance of capturing him (with another officer coming onto the scene shortly after the shooting) so it was not even about preventing an escape.
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