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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I assume it was the tazer and accept there was some sort of struggle. However...the act of shooting him...even if they had just been in a life threatening struggle, dood was a good 12-15 feet away before he fired his first shot.
    I haven't said otherwise.
    I did make it clear though that that may be the difference between manslaughter/involuntary manslaughter and a murder conviction because he would have been responding to the threat he believed him to be.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From the description of the video, which is posted on the newspaper's website, The New York Times reported:

    The video begins in the vacant lot, apparently moments after Officer Slager fired his Taser. Wires, which carry the electrical current from the stun gun, appear to be extending from Mr. Scott’s body as the two men tussle and Mr. Scott turns to run.

    Something — it is not clear whether it is the stun gun — is either tossed or knocked to the ground behind the two men, and Officer Slager draws his gun, the video shows. When the officer fires, Mr. Scott appears to be 15 to 20 feet away and fleeing. He falls after the last of eight shots.

    The officer then runs back toward where the initial scuffle occurred and picks something up off the ground. Moments later, he drops an object near Mr. Scott’s body, the video shows.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us...ans-death.html

    Three issues include:

    1. The "black object" at the early stages of what happened. Possibly, it was the stun gun. I suspect that once the video is enhanced during the investigation, the object will be identified.
    2. The shots were fired at Mr. Scott when he was trying to flee and was some distance away (15-20 feet according to the news account).
    3. The police officer picked up and placed an object near Mr. Scott's body.

    The second point will almost certainly negate arguments that Mr. Scott posed a threat to the officer. The officer's perceptions, degree of training (if he lacked adequate training), among other factors, might lead to some mitigation of the charges, but it is difficult to imagine a scenario under which the officer would be exonerated.

    The third point will probably seal the case against the officer. It is nothing less than an alteration of the crime scene. Such alteration suggests that the officer may have realized he had used unlawful force and attempted to change the narrative that would have become clear from a review of the evidence.

    In sum, unless there is significant and credible new evidence, it's probably very likely that the officer will be convicted. Second degree murder is a distinct possibility, especially has he had altered the scene, providing some indication that he was aware that his conduct was inappropriate. Lesser charges are also possible, if the officer can reasonably demonstrate some extenuating factors, but his actions following the shooting may have lowered the probability of his being convicted on those lesser charges.
    Your analysis is ignoring the fact that the Officer said he had took his tazer.
    That tazer may be what we then see being thrown down in the beginning as the Officers draws his firearm.

    If so, this would indicate that the Officer (in his mind) was responding to an actual threat.

    That information and whether he moved the tazer after the fact and why, may be the difference between manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter and that of a murder conviction.





    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The cop putting him in handcuffs while yelling at him to put his hands behind his back when he was already dead is just inexplicable.
    I am sure he was in the process of dying at that point, but inexplicable?
    The guy had his head up which would indicate he was at least still somewhat conscious.
    Only after he was cuffed did his head turn to one side.





    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    One cannot be in fear of their life when the other person is running away from them.
    Not saying this one qualifies, but that actually depends on the circumstances.


    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    The taser is a moot point, as it is not lethal, and having been discharged, was certainly not a weapon.
    Not true.
    A tazer can have more than one charge, which employed could incapacitate the Officer allowing his firearm to be taken.


    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    The fact that he lied about providing CPR further reduces his credibility.
    How did you ascertain this?

    Neither the Times article or the OP's HuffP article says this specific Officer performed CPR.





    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'm sure it's been mentioned, but if there was no video footage, many people would automatically assume that the black guy was a threat and the police officer was justified.
    If the black thing being thrown to the ground in the beginning is the tazer that the Officer said he took, he was a threat.

    If it was, what is going to matter is if the Officer saw him toss it or not, because if he didn't see him throw it, he is still reacting to that threat.
    That may be the difference between manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter and that of a murder conviction.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    The guy running way didn't resemble Usain Bolt in any way. The cop could have ran after him, or called in for backup. The guy running away wasn't going to get very far on foot. This is what we've come to in this country, getting shot at 8 times because your brake-light is broken.

    AND having the same people who complain and bitch about Obama being a dictator and the US being a police state will rush to defend this cop. Hypocrisy to the nth degree.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by ARTHUR 1976 View Post
    I hope he's convicted of murder, and im sure his family will file a civil suit so they will get his house, not to mention he will probably go broke with legal fees, this POS COPS life is pretty much ruined!!..
    I tend to agree with you, but I also feel you think that of all cops.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I haven't said otherwise.
    I did make it clear though that that may be the difference between manslaughter/involuntary manslaughter and murder conviction because he would have been responding to the threat he believed him to be.
    That I agree with. It is important for perspective when considering scope. We arent talking about a soft fluffy bunny gunned down for the crime of 'driving while black' as has been alluded.

    Still...

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    The guy running way didn't resemble Usain Bolt in any way. The cop could have ran after him, or called in for backup. The guy running away wasn't going to get very far on foot. This is what we've come to in this country, getting shot at 8 times because your brake-light is broken.

    AND having the same people who complain and bitch about Obama being a dictator and the US being a police state will rush to defend this cop. Hypocrisy to the nth degree.
    Thats is one of the typically stupid things that gets said in threeads like this. He didnt get shot because his brake light was broken. He got shot because he had warrants, grabbed the tazer, then ran.

    Thats doesnt justify the shooting but it certainly frames your comments as idiotic, prejudicial, and and outright wrong.

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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    How did you ascertain this?

    Neither the Times article or the OP's HuffP article says this specific Officer performed CPR.
    Really? Because I can read quite well.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us...eath.html?_r=0
    Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer later arrives, apparently with a medical kit, but is also not seen performing CPR.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    See EVERY "cop shoots black person thread" if you need help figuring it out. If you would like a reference, see every "cute pink baby chirruns killed by evil guns" thread.
    I don't care how reamed I get for saying this. The far left uses the black men killed at the hand of police officers as pawns in their keyboard attacks on anyone they see as the "right wing".

    The fact that this man was black is irrelevant. I don't usually rush to say disparaging things about cops, but in this situation, it's pretty clear what happened, and IMO the cop was in the wrong here. He deserves to be brought up on charges.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Really? Because I can read quite well.
    Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer later arrives, apparently with a medical kit, but is also not seen performing CPR.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us...eath.html?_r=0

    Apparently not.

    Again; Where does it say this specific Officer performed CPR?

    Let me help you out. It doesn't.
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    Re: Video Shows Officer Shooting Unarmed Black Man in South Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your analysis is ignoring the fact that the Officer said he had took his tazer.
    That tazer may be what we then see being thrown down in the beginning as the Officers draws his firearm.
    My first point deals with that possibility (and I suspect that the object was, in fact, the Taser). I also noted, "The officer's perceptions...among other factors, might lead to some mitigation of the charges, but it is difficult to imagine a scenario under which the officer would be exonerated." The officer's actions afterward almost certainly have hurt his case and increased prospects of conviction on a more serious charge. I could be wrong, but we'll see what happens when or if the case is heard, as a plea bargain is a possibility. A plea bargain might provide the officer his best chance at a reduced sentence.

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