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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    This isn't necessarily as altruistic as it appears on the surface:

    "employees who drop out or leave the company will be responsible for paying tuition for that semester."

    The risk of enrolling and failing might explain why only 2000 / 150,000 starbucks workers are in the 2 year program currently. Tying in ongoing employment with tuition reimbursement is likely a way to keep them on the leash too.
    Starbucks is generous, not stupid. There should be strings attached.

    I mean God forbid some young person has to deal with rules set down by the people who're paying for their College.

    What if people applied for a Job at Starbucks with the full intention of quiting and making Starbucks pay the rest of their semester ?

    Starbucks has every right to set its own standards considering the amount of money they're offering.

    Making employees liable for the cost if they drop out is just a way to weed out the people who aren't really motivated.

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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    No it is not. For one thing you don't have to get off your ass.
    So what?

    In my experience online classes are more difficult than brick-and-mortar classes from a strictly academic perspective.

    There are certain elements of classroom learning that is very difficult to replicate online.
    And there are a whole hell of a lot more that aren't.

    Foreign language for instance can't really be matched except for study/travel abroad.
    Huh?

    This doesn't even make any sense.

    It doesn't matter whether you get your degree from Arizona State or Arizona State online.

    In neither case will you be required to live overseas and immerse yourself in a foreign culture in order to earn an undergrad degree.

    Various group projects and presentations, physical lab work, networking, actual interaction with professors, test taking - some of that doesn't exist at all...
    Most of it exists to a much greater degree than you seem to think.

    ...and the rest isn't widely respected by industry or grad schools when done online only.
    As has already been said, "industry and grad schools" have no idea whether you did your undergrad work in a classroom or on a computer.

    It's certainly never came up when I was applying to grad schools and it's never been mentioned in any interview I've ever been on.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    This isn't necessarily as altruistic as it appears on the surface:
    You don't know an awful lot about Howard Schultz or Starbuck's business philosophy, do you?

    This decision was made because it was altruistic.

    There may be, will certainly be, second and third order effects that come of it, but the impetus behind the policy was putting people first.

    Don't like it?

    The CEO will tell you to go ahead and sell your shares to someone who does.

    "employees who drop out or leave the company will be responsible for paying tuition for that semester."
    If you think that is unreasonable, then you're just an unreasonable person who will never be happy.

    Tying in ongoing employment with tuition reimbursement is likely a way to keep them on the leash too.
    There is no tie-in there.

    The company I work for will pay 90% of tuition and fees but if you take that deal you need to earn a "C" or better or you don't get reimbursed and you need to stay with the company for four years after graduation or you pay back all the money they laid out for your education.

    That's a tie in.

    Asking people to pay back one semester's worth of tuition if you fail, drop out, or quit is literally nothing.

    Pretty much everything you've said on this topic is essentially ignorant and consequently worthless.

    It's like you're being contradictory simply for the sake of being contradictory.
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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    I think this is a good thing....A good alternative to raising minimum wage, plus it is totally a free market idea so ++
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    Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think this is a good thing....A good alternative to raising minimum wage, plus it is totally a free market idea so ++
    Absolutely! This is what is known as a hand up, not a hand out.
    Last edited by The Man; 04-07-15 at 06:20 PM.

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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    It is a good thing, and it is how 'free college' should be handled, by private sector organizations who wish to provide it, not by our federal government.
    I'm guessing Arizona State University and it's online education programs are partially subsidized by taxpayers in state and federally, but I agree with your take on this.

    I also agree it is good business practice both for Starbucks and for the university. But we shouldn't assume that this is a unique program to Starbucks. These types of business sponsored or supported education programs go on in lots of large and medium sized corporations.
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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm guessing Arizona State University and it's online education programs are partially subsidized by taxpayers in state and federally, but I agree with your take on this.

    I also agree it is good business practice both for Starbucks and for the university. But we shouldn't assume that this is a unique program to Starbucks. These types of business sponsored or supported education programs go on in lots of large and medium sized corporations.
    Oh I know that tuition reimbursement isn't unique to Starbucks, but most companies who offer it aren't as widely known or as widespread as Starbucks and don't hire 16 year olds, and require that you work for them for a certain number of years after earning your degree.

    You're right though about the tax money going to a state university like ASU. State tax money for certain goes to them, don't know about federal.

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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I feel that they should be less but that still seems insane to me, I pay 8000$/year in tuition to physically attend my university and in province people pay less than I do.
    Well if you are saying that college/university tuition in the U.S. is insane, I agree with you, but that's for another thread.

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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Eeeek...an Online College Degree ?
    Arizona State University. Please read the article.


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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Arizona State University. Please read the article.
    Well he is right, it is an 'online degree', but it is through Arizona State University, so it is the same curriculum as if you physically went to ASU, and it is the same degree, no distinction between brick & mortar and online.

    I think earning a college degree online is a great innovation. I don't understand the stigma that some people attach to it.

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    Re: Starbucks to give workers full ride for college

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Well he is right, it is an 'online degree', but it is through Arizona State University, so it is the same curriculum as if you physically went to ASU, and it is the same degree, no distinction between brick & mortar and online.

    I think earning a college degree online is a great innovation. I don't understand the stigma that some people attach to it.
    It is a quality degree from a quality university, it is not like the scam for profit colleges.

    ASU has some amazing programs, law school, business school, and is the home of some of the best planetary geology programs and home base for much of the Mars rover operations. And, it is home to one of the most brilliant physicists in the nation, Laurence Krauss. Most universities have online programs now...it is how the world works.
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