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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

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Why not ?



On the basis of civilised societal norms



Why does it need an explanation ? Its nature doing what it does



Superstitious mumbo jumbo written by men centuries after the alleged event



What caused its alleged creator to exist before it ?

2. Societies Morality
The Nazis had a morality to exterminate the Jews. Was there morality better or worse? If no God above us, then it's just our opinion, or if a bunch of us get together, it's a societies opinion. But what makes one persons or groups morality better or worse then another's? Is murder, or rape wrong? Of course. And a society that says rape is good is immoral based on the absolute truth that any form of rape is wrong. There's a Moral Law within all if us telling us it is. Something above and beyond ourselves. And a Moral Law has a Moral Law Giver what we call God.

3. Fine Tuning
The Factors needed to create a universe with all the dials of all the physical constants is so astronomically impossible, there's no way it would be by mere chance. Hence something turned those dials to the exact placement for life to exist.
 
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1. Free Will
Okay, for those of you who fit this criteria, here’s my question. If matter and energy are all that exist in the universe, then how do you rationally defend the idea that you have free will and can properly use logic?

The point is this--how can you as a strict materialist really trust your own mind? I mean, if everything in the universe is matter and energy, then that means your physical brain is bound by the laws of physics. Think about this. In a purely materialistic worldview where the human brain is nothing more than the summation of chemicals and brain wiring, how do you justify having both free will and rationality?
You see, it’s a brain problem.
How does one chemical state of the brain that is altered by the electrical firing of neurons, which leads to another chemical state in your brain, produce free thought and logical inference?

If your brain is hardwired and constrained by the physical laws, then it cannot act outside of those laws or outside the limits of the hardwiring. It is, in essence, caged in by the limits of physical properties and cannot break free of them.
This would mean that whatever stimulus you receive, such as being asked a question, will result in a specific response that must be in accordance with whatever arrangement your brain’s nuero-chemical wiring requires.

Let me illustrate. If you could be exactly reproduced in an identical environment and your other ‘you’ was asked a question, it, just like you, would produce the exact same response. If this scenario were played over and over again, you’d always respond the exact same way. You’d have no choice but to do so. Why? Because, in strict materialism, you are nothing more than the arrangement of chemicals and wiring in your brain which will automatically produce a specific result when faced with specific stimulus. So then, how are you free? And, how can you trust your logical conclusions since they too are merely the result of the changes of chemical states in your physical brain? How do you know you aren’t believing lies about reality, and how would you know you’re not being illogical in your conclusions? After all, it could be your brain wiring that makes you “think” you’re believing truth and also being logical.

Now, if you say that my reasoning is flawed, then my response is that you are forced to reply that way because of the neuro-chemical wiring in your brain.

Or perhaps you “believe” you have free will. Maybe you “think” you’re logical. But then again, perhaps you are forced to believe and think that way due to the neuro-chemical wiring in your brain. I have to ask. How do you know that the neuro-chemical wiring in your brain doesn’t just produce a set of processes that force you to think and feel a certain way so that, according to evolutionary theory, your genetics can be passed down to other generations? In this evolutionary, materialistic process, deception could be a reality provided it results in genetic descendants. This way, your atheism is nothing more than a set of chemical states in your brain which forces you into certain beliefs and behaviors so that genes are carried on throughout the centuries.

Now, dear materialistic atheist, it doesn’t matter how you respond to this video because you were programmed to respond that way given the neuro-chemical wiring in your brain. But don’t feel bad, it isn’t your fault. It really isn’t your free will. It is the illusion of free will produced by the neuro-chemical wiring in your brain that makes you say what you say and think that what you think is actually logical--even though it might not really be right. Don’t agree? Well, we both know why you don’t agree, don’t we?

I am not a materialist I am a realist
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Why not ?



On the basis of civilised societal norms



Why does it need an explanation ? Its nature doing what it does



Superstitious mumbo jumbo written by men centuries after the alleged event



What caused its alleged creator to exist before it ?

4. Resurrection
It is a fairly well-established fact that Jesus Christ was publicly executed in Judea in the 1st Century A.D., under Pontius Pilate, by means of crucifixion, at the behest of the Jewish Sanhedrin. The non-Christian historical accounts of Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Maimonides and even the Jewish Sanhedrin corroborate the early Christian eyewitness accounts of these important historical aspects of the death of Jesus Christ.

As for His resurrection, there are several lines of evidence which make for a compelling case. The late jurisprudential prodigy and international statesman Sir Lionel Luckhoo (of The Guinness Book of World Records fame for his unprecedented 245 consecutive defense murder trial acquittals) epitomized Christian enthusiasm and confidence in the strength of the case for the resurrection when he wrote, “I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”

5. God
To answer the question of who made God, we have to ask What is the fundamental reality-what is the one thing everything else comes from? So either the universe doesn't have a cause and is eternal and always existed, or something outside the universe is.
We know from science, from Einsteins general theory of relativity, thermodynamics (the amount of energy in the universe is running out), the radiation from the Big Bang etc... That the universe itself had a definite beginning in the finite past 13.8 billion years ago.
And if we rule one out the only doable option is that something outside the universe is eternal. And whatever created the universe must be all powerful, eternal, intelligent, outside of time and space, personal (cause impersonal can't create personal) etc... And these are all the characteristics we give to God.
 
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4. Resurrection
It is a fairly well-established fact that Jesus Christ was publicly executed in Judea in the 1st Century A.D., under Pontius Pilate, by means of crucifixion, at the behest of the Jewish Sanhedrin. The non-Christian historical accounts of Flavius Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata, Maimonides and even the Jewish Sanhedrin corroborate the early Christian eyewitness accounts of these important historical aspects of the death of Jesus Christ.

As for His resurrection, there are several lines of evidence which make for a compelling case. The late jurisprudential prodigy and international statesman Sir Lionel Luckhoo (of The Guinness Book of World Records fame for his unprecedented 245 consecutive defense murder trial acquittals) epitomized Christian enthusiasm and confidence in the strength of the case for the resurrection when he wrote, “I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt.”

5. God
To answer the question of who made God, we have to ask What is the fundamental reality-what is the one thing everything else comes from? So either the universe doesn't have a cause and is eternal and always existed, or something outside the universe is.
We know from science, from Einsteins general theory of relativity, thermodynamics (the amount of energy in the universe is running out), the radiation from the Big Bang etc... That the universe itself had a definite beginning in the finite past 13.8 billion years ago.
And if we rule one out the only doable option is that something outside the universe is eternal. And whatever created the universe must be all powerful, eternal, intelligent, outside of time and space, personal (cause impersonal can't create personal) etc... And these are all the characteristics we give to God.

Still waiting for this evidence of your god ?

I'm really not very interested in your long winded and plagiarised mumbo jumbo that simply tries to evade that question.
 
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Look at the most non-religious countries. I think Australia, the Nordic countries, Canada, France and South Korea? In other words, places with higher qualities of life and stable atmospheres. Oops.

What's their quality of life when the unbelievers wind up in Hell?
 
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What's their quality of life when the unbelievers wind up in Hell?

You call yourself Logicman and yet come out with a response from the depths of Dark Age superstition ! :shock:
 
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You call yourself Logicman and yet come out with a response from the depths of Dark Age superstition ! :shock:

The superstition / fairy tale is yours that God and Hell don't exist.

Besides, in the countries Goldsmith listed, there's tons of Christians. South Korea is just one example.
 
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The superstition / fairy tale is yours that God and Hell don't exist.
Oh boy ..... :roll:

Besides, in the countries Goldsmith listed, there's tons of Christians. South Korea is just one example.

Yes indeed but they are in declining ageing minority
 
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Still waiting for this evidence of your god ?

I'm really not very interested in your long winded and plagiarised mumbo jumbo that simply tries to evade that question.

I've given you and others in many past posts evidence you just throw away as non proof without much explanation and ask for more over and over again. I could give you evidence everyday for the rest if your life and you still would doubt and ask for more. It's pointless to continue such debate. Again, it's a heart and emotional issue with the concept of God, not a mere evidence one. And since I cannot go into your heart nor emotions, such debate is fruitless until you actually seek the answers instead of just deny.
 
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Oh boy ..... :roll:

Yes indeed but they are in declining ageing minority

:roll:

South Korea has been having a tremendous growth of Christianity, and it's likely to continue.
 
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I've given you and others in many past posts evidence you just throw away as non proof without much explanation and ask for more over and over again. I could give you evidence everyday for the rest if your life and you still would doubt and ask for more. It's pointless to continue such debate. Again, it's a heart and emotional issue with the concept of God, not a mere evidence one. And since I cannot go into your heart nor emotions, such debate is fruitless until you actually seek the answers instead of just deny

And again ......opinion and wishful thinking are not evidence
 
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And since I cannot go into your heart nor emotions, such debate is fruitless until you actually seek the answers instead of just deny.

Denying is difficult when you don't post any evidence.
 
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Yes, really.

Christianity in South Korea has grown from 5% in 1962 to 26.3% in 1995 to 29.2% in 2005.

Religion in South Korea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And as of 2013 it's 31.6%.

South Korea Religions - Demographics

Sorry .....

A Stagnant Church: Regarding the growth of Christianity “many now believe that the Korean church, on the whole, is in a season of decline. While Korea is often cited as being 30-35% Christian, the most recent census numbers indicate that that number has decreased to about 18%. While this is still a staggering number for Asia, the drastic decline is hard to ignore. Furthermore, it is now the case that less than 2% of 20-somethings regularly attend church, leading us to believe that Korea’s religious future may look quite a bit like that of other developed nations. Yes, there was a cultural moment 20 or 30 years ago when an attractional, come-and-see model produced results and numbers, but this is simply no longer the case.”


The State of Christianity in Korea | ubfriends.org
 
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Sorry .....

A Stagnant Church: Regarding the growth of Christianity “many now believe that the Korean church, on the whole, is in a season of decline. While Korea is often cited as being 30-35% Christian, the most recent census numbers indicate that that number has decreased to about 18%. While this is still a staggering number for Asia, the drastic decline is hard to ignore. Furthermore, it is now the case that less than 2% of 20-somethings regularly attend church, leading us to believe that Korea’s religious future may look quite a bit like that of other developed nations. Yes, there was a cultural moment 20 or 30 years ago when an attractional, come-and-see model produced results and numbers, but this is simply no longer the case.”


The State of Christianity in Korea | ubfriends.org

That's a blog forum. The disclaimer says,

"Any opinions expressed here belong to the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the views of University Bible Fellowship, the staff of UBFriends.org, or any other organization."

Not a good selection for you.
 
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That's a blog forum. The disclaimer says,

"Any opinions expressed here belong to the individuals who express them. They are not necessarily the views of University Bible Fellowship, the staff of UBFriends.org, or any other organization."

Not a good selection for you.

Its popularity has peaked some time ago in Korea and the young people are now abandoning it en mass. It mirrors the decline in Christianity seen in most other developed and better educated countries. Once people learn to use their cognitive and reasoning facilities instead of superstition and fear ,religion dies
 
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Its popularity has peaked some time ago in Korea and the young people are now abandoning it en mass. It mirrors the decline in Christianity seen in most other developed and better educated countries. Once people learn to use their cognitive and reasoning facilities instead of superstition and fear ,religion dies

The Catholic church was always against the peasants becoming too smart.
 
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Its popularity has peaked some time ago in Korea and the young people are now abandoning it en mass. It mirrors the decline in Christianity seen in most other developed and better educated countries. Once people learn to use their cognitive and reasoning facilities instead of superstition and fear ,religion dies

Sorry, you have bad information on that.

The fact is that the growth of Christianity in South Korea mirrors its economic success. That's the opposite of what you folks believe.

Not only that, but America thrived for over two centuries as a predominately Christian nation, and now that secularism and paganism have come in, America is on the decline.

We also see atheist countries like North Korea living in poverty.
 
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Sorry, you have bad information on that.

Well thats your opinion. I'd say a religious demographic where only 2% (and falling) of 20 somethings attend church is a religion in deep doo doo for the future

The fact is that the growth of Christianity in South Korea mirrors its economic success. That's the opposite of what you folks believe.

Yes but it peaked some time ago and is now in rapid decline as was illustrated

Not only that, but America thrived for over two centuries as a predominately Christian nation, and now that secularism and paganism have come in, America is on the decline.
The US decline has little to do with religion

We also see atheist countries like North Korea living in poverty.

And we also see almost mostly atheist countries like Norway Sweden or Denmark having amongst the highest per capita living standards in the World
 
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Its popularity has peaked some time ago in Korea and the young people are now abandoning it en mass. It mirrors the decline in Christianity seen in most other developed and better educated countries. Once people learn to use their cognitive and reasoning facilities instead of superstition and fear ,religion dies

Tell that to atheist North Korea blergh
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Tell that to atheist North Korea blergh
I could just as easily misinterpret your photo as North Korea doing its bit for global warming and that would be just as idiotic an assertion ! :lol:

You seem to be a one trick pony. Conflating religion and politics when the going gets tough
 
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Well thats your opinion. I'd say a religious demographic where only 2% (and falling) of 20 somethings attend church is a religion in deep doo doo for the future



Yes but it peaked some time ago and is now in rapid decline as was illustrated


The US decline has little to do with religion



And we also see almost mostly atheist countries like Norway Sweden or Denmark having amongst the highest per capita living standards in the World

Yeah Norways the way to go...
The healthcare is free for all! Yay! Except for problems with cutbacks, long waits to get surgery, few hospitals so patients wait in the corridors. Can't wait for those death panels :)

You also have that cool thing for liberals to do, Anti-Semitism! Yay! Where in Norway its become such a serious threat that many Jews are emigrating to Israel and elsewhere to escape it. Human rights activists, police and leaders of the rapidly shrinking Jewish community fear that soon, for the first time in centuries, Jews will have no visible presence in Norway at all.

Domestic violence is staggering. As According to Norwegian police statistics, 5,284 cases of domestic violence were reported in 2008. These cases ranged from serious acts of violence such as murder and attempted murder to physical assault. The number of reported cases of domestic violence increased by 500 percent from 2005 to 2011. Atheist womens paradise :) you ten to see a lot of sexism in the atheist movement reported by atheist women themselves. It doesn't help that Richard Dawkins...
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/03/new...sm_of_richard_dawkins_and_sam_harris_partner/

And don't get me started on their drug problems. So yeah, Norway is a perfect example indeed
 
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Yeah Norways the way to go...
The healthcare is free for all! Yay! Except for problems with cutbacks, long waits to get surgery, few hospitals so patients wait in the corridors. Can't wait for those death panels :)

You also have that cool thing for liberals to do, Anti-Semitism! Yay! Where in Norway its become such a serious threat that many Jews are emigrating to Israel and elsewhere to escape it. Human rights activists, police and leaders of the rapidly shrinking Jewish community fear that soon, for the first time in centuries, Jews will have no visible presence in Norway at all.

Domestic violence is staggering. As According to Norwegian police statistics, 5,284 cases of domestic violence were reported in 2008. These cases ranged from serious acts of violence such as murder and attempted murder to physical assault. The number of reported cases of domestic violence increased by 500 percent from 2005 to 2011. Atheist womens paradise :) you ten to see a lot of sexism in the atheist movement reported by atheist women themselves. It doesn't help that Richard Dawkins...
Atheism’s shocking woman problem: What’s behind the misogyny of Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris? - Salon.com

And don't get me started on their drug problems. So yeah, Norway is a perfect example indeed

An American criticizing Norwegian crime rates which are some of the lowest on Earth across all categories ! And this has exactly what to do with their religion ? :shock:

Despite Recent Shootings Norway is a Low-Crime Nation - Forbes

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=15385

This is on the contrary one of the worlds most civilised and law abiding nations despite them being mostly godless heathens ! :lol:
 
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