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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

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Bodhisattva said:
1. I don't care who "witnessed" it... when was it written?
2. There is no God... that is no argument.
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There is no God for you but there is a God for others. His reality for many millions is just as real as your doubt.

"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important." C.S. Lewis
 
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JFish123 said:
God is what gives humans rights. Governments in the past. Especially atheist regimes recently have proved government alone can't give rights. I mean which government are we referring to? Did the Nazi government? Did the communist government if Mao? Do the Islamic states like Iran that throw people off buildings? If there is no God, then morality and truth is relative. What's true or moral for you, might not be for me. Then if someone murders someone you love and the judge lets him go. Sorry I feel that murder is ok. Relative. But we have laws from the government you say so it wouldn't happen. The point is that the government-any government is just a group of people. Meaning what makes there morality better then another groups?gotta gave a foundation above ourselves for there to be any true right and wrong that's absolute for everybody everywhere.
After all if anything is wrong or evil just because it's wrong, absolutes exist
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You seem to have no idea what constitutes basic government principles not to mention the works of Hobbes, Locke or Montesquieu... Social Contract, English Bill of Rights, etc... no offense but I don't have the time or patience to teach you.
 
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Grant said:
There is no God for you but there is a God for others. His reality for many millions is just as real as your doubt.

"Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important." C.S. Lewis
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If there is ZERO proof then my doubt is more likely true than their faith...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I said governments... not democracies. Governments can be big like the USA or teeny like a tribal council. Want to go again within that context?
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Democracies also have governments and of course there are several types throughout the world.. Your claim was you get your rights from government and their is no evidence of that at all. In fact governments can remove your rights just as easily as giving them out..
 
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Bodhisattva said:
If there is ZERO proof then my doubt is more likely true than their faith...
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There is probably zero proof for you at this moment in your life but that doesn't mean he won't make himself felt at some later point in your life.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
If there is ZERO proof then my doubt is more likely true than their faith...
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You can only make the claim that for you there has been zero proof. Millions outside of your circle has had other proof.
 
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Fenton said:
What is or was evil about Jesus ?
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No not the character in a book claims to be the son of a god, the god of the bible is bad in many ways. One of them being his ego trip, the other being his habit of treating humans like they are nothing compared to him. Some of those stories in the bible are really twisted with all the killing and raping going on. Personally I wouldnt want to spend a eternity worshiping some god. Of course it doesnt really matter since its all just some other cultures folklore's. It always amazes me that people in the west get so caught up with middle eastern religions. Seriously I just cant relate with those peoples old stories.
 
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BrewerBob said:
I don't know. Offense seems to be working out too.

Imagine NO gay couple has come to your store asking if you will provide service. Instead you just make a public statement stating that IF a gay couple wants service you will refuse.

A bunch of people call you a bigot and boycott your bigoted business.

You start a gofundme page and a bunch of other bigots give you a lot of money and now you don't need your business anymore.

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Or you could have what actually happened. A reporter (was the reporter gay?) could go around to local businesses asking a hypothetical question looking for somebody to give the "right" answer to create a story where there wasn't one. Then a handful of the most intolerant assholes (who claim to want tolerance) can mount an overblown social media campaign to destroy your livelihood. See, by "equality" what they mean is they want to misrepresent themselves to appear to be a much larger group than they are, essentially voting multiple times while preaching fairness. Then someone else can start a funding program to cover the losses (because it was not the business owners who set it up) after you and your business receive death threats and calls to burn your business down by those same tolerant and fair people you have never met and have never set foot in your store to begin with. Next, you discover that thousands of REAL people are tired of the militant (dare I say terrorists?) tactics and support you with real money rather than sock puppet media accounts. Essentially the smear campaign backfires, and we discover that despite the media coverage, there is a large part of society that does not support this kind of behavior. Not because they are against gays, but because they have had enough of the lying cheating assholes who would put forth such effort to destroy a stranger who did nothing but offer the "wrong" answer to a hypothetical question asked by a troll who couldn't find a real news story.

Last year a guy who thought I was screwing his wife (I didn't know either of them, he found my business card in her car and made an assumtion) threatened to kill me. He was arrested and convicted of terroristic threats and is in jail as we speak. Perhaps those who threatened the business and the owners should be charged too. You know, to be fair.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
You get my point or fact or you don't at this point...
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:shrug: you tried to discredit the authenticity of the testimony. You failed.

You mean She.
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:shrug: He's not limited to gender, it's simply how He's chosen to represent himself to us.
 
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Montecresto said:
That's because you don't know what the bibles definition of sin is!!
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Lol !

What ?
 
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j-mac said:
Wow! Stunning....If this is reviewed, and verified, what, and how do you see this effecting Christianity? Especially considering the open attack it is under today?
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I supposed when you are desperate enough to believe something badly enough any evidence however subjectively interpreted can be claimed to be 'virtually unequivocal'. 9/11 truthers have been doing it for years :roll:
 
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Bodhisattva said:
If there is ZERO proof then my doubt is more likely true than their faith...
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There is zero proof which satisfies you but there is ample proof from others who have had different experiences in their lives. You may just have to accept that for now.

It's odd that the anti-Christian skeptics, atheists and agnostics, were often among those who firmly believed that "If you like your plan you can keep your plan", while those of a religious persuasion tended to be more skeptical. It seems humans will believe a great deal on faith alone, but Obamacare rapidly proved to be a lie while Christianity, now under threat around the world, has been around for over 2,000 years and people are still finding truth in His words.
 
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flogger said:
I supposed when you are desperate enough to believe something badly enough any evidence however subjectively interpreted can be claimed to be 'virtually unequivocal'. 9/11 truthers have been doing it for years :roll:
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What evidence do you have that people are 'desperate' to become Christians?
 
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Grant said:
What evidence do you have that people are 'desperate' to become Christians?
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That is not what I said. My post would be relevent to any religion
 
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flogger said:
That is not what I said. My post would be relevent to any religion
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You responded to a post about Christianity on a thread concerning Christianity so it would seem you were discussing Christians. Would you agree that there are people 'desperate' to believe that Christ did not exist?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
You seem to have no idea what constitutes basic government principles not to mention the works of Hobbes, Locke or Montesquieu... Social Contract, English Bill of Rights, etc... no offense but I don't have the time or patience to teach you.
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Again government principles are made by men. So what makes there opinion on justice or good or morally evil any better or worse then another person or group? In a relative universe it doesn't. It's just relative opinions on the matter. If however there is something above us like a moral law we all share that tells us if something is absolutely wrong to do in all places at all times then there must be something that transcends us , a moral law giver, what we call God
 
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Grant said:
You responded to a post about Christianity on a thread concerning Christianity so it would seem you were discussing Christians. Would you agree that there are people 'desperate' to believe that Christ did not exist?
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Some people are objective and some are subjective. I fall into the former category when it comes to all religion.

In my view archaic medieval belief systems that support the existence supernatural dieties of whatever hue, have no place in the modern age. They are at the very root of many of the problems we face in our world today sadly
 
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flogger said:
Some people are objective and some are subjective. I fall into the former category when it comes to all religion.

In my view archaic medieval belief systems that support the existence supernatural dieties of whatever hue, have no place in the modern age. They are at the very root of many of the problems we face in our world today sadly
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Depends on the religion and what it teaches. Islams founder Muhammad is more like ISIS, where Jesus teaches to Love, Go the extra mile for others, turn the other cheek etc...
 
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JFish123 said:
Depends on the religion and what it teaches. Islams founder Muhammad is more like ISIS, where Jesus teaches to Love, Go the extra mile for others, turn the other cheek etc...
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They are all the same frankly. They all espouse their moral superiority over the others

How many have killed in the name of atheism ?
 
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flogger said:
Some people are objective and some are subjective. I fall into the former category when it comes to all religion.

In my view archaic medieval belief systems that support the existence supernatural dieties of whatever hue, have no place in the modern age. They are at the very root of many of the problems we face in our world today sadly
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Claiming you're objective doesn't make you objective.
 
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flogger said:
They are all the same frankly. They all espouse their moral superiority over the others

How many have killed in the name of atheism ?
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Do you really need a list of atheists who have committed mass killings throughout history? Including recent history? You can start with the Communists with over 100 millions deaths, plus the ruination of many more lives.
 
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Grant said:
Do you really need a list of atheists who have committed mass killings throughout history?
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Unlike with religion though just because they were atheists does not mean they killed in the name of atheism

Including recent history? You can start with the Communists with over 100 millions deaths, plus the ruination of many more lives.
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But they too did not kill in the name of atheism they killed in order to impose a political system by the use of fear
 
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Grant said:
Do you really need a list of atheists who have committed mass killings throughout history? Including recent history? You can start with the Communists with over 100 millions deaths, plus the ruination of many more lives.
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Claiming you're moral doesn't make you moral.

Also, the fair comparison is how many atheists have killed in the name of atheism? Compare that number to how many people have killed in the name of religion.
 
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flogger said:
They are all the same frankly. They all espouse their moral superiority over the others

How many have killed in the name of atheism ?
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It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.
Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error.
Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."
Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote regarding atheism and communism: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion..."
Although Communism is one of the most well-known cases of atheism's ties to mass murder, the French Revolution and subsequent Reign of Terror, inspired by the works of Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rousseau, managed to commit similar persecutions and exterminations of religious people and promote secularism and militant atheism. Official numbers indicate that 300,000 Frenchmen died during Robespierre's Reign of Terror, 297,000 of which were of middle-class or low-class. Of the amount murdered via the guillotine, only 8% had been of the aristocratic class, with over 30% being from the peasant class.
So here's a start of all the people killed by atheistic regimes. And There are a plethora of places where you can verify these numbers, if you are so-minded.
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered
Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered
Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered
Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered
Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered
Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered
So to say atheism breeds good things or will be like Star Trek in the future under atheism fails to learn from history.
So whenever someone says asks
How many people were killed by atheism...
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JFish123 said:
It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.
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Already addressed in post #397
 
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