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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

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Hundreds? Nooo, decades. If Jesus died in 30-33AD, the bulk of the New Testament was finalized by 115AD at the latest. Excluding whatever that one pseudepigraphical one.

I'm glad I added pseudepigraphical to my online dictionary. Such a strange word.

Good thing that I talked about decades then...
 
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:shrug: apparently now he is arguing it was one-and-a-half "hundreds" :D

:roll: or :lol:

Can't decide
 
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Truth is atheists don't want there to be a God as they don't want to be held accountable to anyone for there lives. Jesus is God Christians say? Easiest way to avoid it, by saying he never existed despite the contrary, that even many atheists admit.

I can't wish a god into or out of existence. That's pretty ridiculous. And neither can you by the way.
 
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Wrong again. I am not trying to discredit the authorship I am merely stating that quoting people that said something 30 years before or 10 days before and taking it as literal is stupid. The exact quotes in the Bible written by people that were not there or did not hear it themselves is idiotic. To live a life based on these quotes borders on insanity...

Quite the contrary

1. The Gospels and the Epistles contain first-generation witness, to include the Apostles.
2. The Bible is not it's own source of authority - that is God.
 
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Quite the contrary

1. The Gospels and the Epistles contain first-generation witness, to include the Apostles.
2. The Bible is not it's own source of authority - that is God.

1. I don't care who "witnessed" it... when was it written?
2. There is no God... that is no argument.
 
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1. I don't care who "witnessed" it... when was it written?

:shrug: it started getting written down about 15 years afterwards, though the written accounts that we have contain earlier material.

2. There is no God... that is no argument.

:) He disagrees.
 
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The first writings were maybe 40 or 50 years after his death, not 15. The bulk over the next 50 or so. Then the translating editing and redacting took another 500 or more.

Have someone with access to only the most rudimentary of parchments and skins to read or write in, recall in detail about the events of the Atlanta Olympics, only twenty years ago. Name the opening speechgivers, the first twelve gold medalists, and what they said at the interviews afterward. It's a ridiculous premise.
 
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No. There should be ZERO religious symbols on government or state run places. None. That includes Christian ones...




Government is what gives humans rights... that is why.

God is what gives humans rights. Governments in the past. Especially atheist regimes recently have proved government alone can't give rights. I mean which government are we referring to? Did the Nazi government? Did the communist government if Mao? Do the Islamic states like Iran that throw people off buildings? If there is no God, then morality and truth is relative. What's true or moral for you, might not be for me. Then if someone murders someone you love and the judge lets him go. Sorry I feel that murder is ok. Relative. But we have laws from the government you say so it wouldn't happen. The point is that the government-any government is just a group of people. Meaning what makes there morality better then another groups?gotta gave a foundation above ourselves for there to be any true right and wrong that's absolute for everybody everywhere.
After all if anything is wrong or evil just because it's wrong, absolutes exist
https://youtu.be/ryA8PafooQ4
 
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Then to be intellectually honest, you have to believe Alexander the Great,Socrates didn't exist either. My God, if Richard Dawkins and people like Ask the Atheists website among many other atheists agree Jesus existed, your really reaching the bottom of the barrel with conspiracy theories to do all you can not to believe in Jesus. Don't know why, don't care, but something ain't right for such a defense . My guess, you don't want there to be a Jesus so all evidence goes through a bias of can't be , so mustn't be. Gotta be independent like others who looked at the evidence and came to the historical conclusion my man.

I have no horse in that game, it doesn't matter to me whether Alexander the Great or Socrates existed. You, however, have to be intensely concerned whether Jesus existed because without Jesus, your entire religion is idiotic. Well, more idiotic.
 
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I have no horse in that game, it doesn't matter to me whether Alexander the Great or Socrates existed. You, however, have to be intensely concerned whether Jesus existed because without Jesus, your entire religion is idiotic. Well, more idiotic.

you mean more idiotic than the "nobody created the universe. it was always just here" argument? because nothing could be more idiotic than that. do you know the millions of functions that are going on at this moment to keep you alive? and you think that just happened from nothing? It's like looking at a Ferrari and assuming it all just naturally came together that way. THAT is idiotic.
 
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1. I don't care who "witnessed" it... when was it written?
2. There is no God... that is no argument.

Prove there is no God.

Sounds like youre one of the Faithful, just on the other side of the issue
 
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I have no horse in that game, it doesn't matter to me whether Alexander the Great or Socrates existed. You, however, have to be intensely concerned whether Jesus existed because without Jesus, your entire religion is idiotic. Well, more idiotic.

I'm not concerned at all. I have my faith. And more than that, I have the evidence that backs up that faith. I don't look for ways out of historical facts like some atheists because they simply can't handle that God could exist and their lives are held accountable.
 
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I'm not concerned at all. I have my faith. And more than that, I have the evidence that backs up that faith. I don't look for ways out of historical facts like some atheists because they simply can't handle that God could exist and their lives are held accountable.

There are no historical facts that prove the existence of your god. And if the Christians version of a god existed, I would not want to be anywhere near the evil bastard.
 
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There are no historical facts that prove the existence of your god. And if the Christians version of a god existed, I would not want to be anywhere near the evil bastard.

What is or was evil about Jesus ?
 
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What is or was evil about Jesus ?

He is referring to god, the god of the old and new testament, not jesus, unless they are the same, in which case, why is jesus labeled as his son?
 
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He is referring to god, the god of the old and new testament, not jesus, unless they are the same, in which case, why is jesus labeled as his son?

CHRISTians.....look up what Jesus's sacrifice did for man and then you'll understand why the Law isn't relevant to those who accept him as their savior.
 
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CHRISTians.....look up what Jesus's sacrifice did for man and then you'll understand why the Law isn't relevant to those who accept him as their savior.

Hm, I know a jew happened to be crucified, where Crucifixion was quite common, what exactly did that do for me?
 
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I'm not concerned at all. I have my faith. And more than that, I have the evidence that backs up that faith. I don't look for ways out of historical facts like some atheists because they simply can't handle that God could exist and their lives are held accountable.

I'm accountable for myself, and to nobody, nothing. You will die, and be buried and that will be it, gone forever, never seen or heard from again, you'll see. Across the planet, people believe, as a matter of faith, all sorts of things that aren't reality.
 
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He is referring to god, the god of the old and new testament, not jesus, unless they are the same, in which case, why is jesus labeled as his son?

There's this inexplicable ****ed up trinity thing going on.
 
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CHRISTians.....look up what Jesus's sacrifice did for man and then you'll understand why the Law isn't relevant to those who accept him as their savior.

That's because you don't know what the bibles definition of sin is!!
 
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There are no historical facts that prove the existence of your god. And if the Christians version of a god existed, I would not want to be anywhere near the evil bastard.

Loony toons, why does it always have to be loony toons. :roll:
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

The first writings were maybe 40 or 50 years after his death, not 15. The bulk over the next 50 or so. Then the translating editing and redacting took another 500 or more.

Have someone with access to only the most rudimentary of parchments and skins to read or write in, recall in detail about the events of the Atlanta Olympics, only twenty years ago. Name the opening speechgivers, the first twelve gold medalists, and what they said at the interviews afterward. It's a ridiculous premise.

You're assuming that Jesus' story had anywhere near as much relevance as the Atlanta Olympics in its time. It simply didn't. His story wasn't even relevant to the Romans much in the same way that the Crusades had little impact on the Muslim world as a whole. Christians have a very strong tradition of blowing the importance of their treasured stories way out of proportion. So to add a small correction to your post, it's like someone with the most rudimentary of parchments recalling, in detail, events which happened 50 years ago at a small gathering in a small city in the East Coast - that was filled with people like Jesus.
 
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Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

No. There should be ZERO religious symbols on government or state run places. None. That includes Christian ones...
We can agree on that.
Government is what gives humans rights... that is why.
That's not even a little bit true and for evidence we can look to any country outside the democracies. In fact, even in the democracies, governments are whittling away at our freedoms. This is fine for those who want governments to organize their lives and, like Obama with 'The Life Of Julia", feel the government can run their lives better than they can. Others want to be largely free of government intrusion in their lives but that is becoming almost impossible.
 
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:shrug: it started getting written down about 15 years afterwards, though the written accounts that we have contain earlier material.

You get my point or fact or you don't at this point...

He disagrees.

You mean She.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

That's not even a little bit true and for evidence we can look to any country outside the democracies. In fact, even in the democracies, governments are whittling away at our freedoms. This is fine for those who want governments to organize their lives and, like Obama with 'The Life Of Julia", feel the government can run their lives better than they can. Others want to be largely free of government intrusion in their lives but that is becoming almost impossible.

I said governments... not democracies. Governments can be big like the USA or teeny like a tribal council. Want to go again within that context?
 
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