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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

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Logicman said:
Well first, if you've ever read the Gospel of John, it's a magnificent work, and certainly not indicative of someone who might have lost his mental faculties. Secondly, you don't know that it was written when John was old. He may have held on to it for decades, perhaps updating a verse here and there, until God finally said to release it. And third, you seem to ignore God's inspiration:

"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26
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There is literally so much wrong up here, I am almost overwhelmed on where to begin. I don't care that it's a magnificent work. Have you ever read The Shining? It's magnificent too. Could he have lost his mental faculties? Sure. Could it also be someone entirely different? Sure. And God's inspiration? Of which there is evidence...? Kesey wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest on acid. Would you call that inspiration?

Back at you. When you can come up with some convincing argument to show me that the resurrection never happened, they you will have something to hang your hat on.

I've been looking at the arguments of skeptics for ages and never once have they been able to falsify the resurrection. It's the absolute crux of Christianity. You want to win your case, then bust the resurrection. If you can't then you've lost.
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Lol. Also known as an argument from ignorance and shifting the burden of proof. Niceeeeee.

Au contraire. In my hands I have four independent and historical Gospels and over two dozen New Testament works, all of which were separate and - as of the first century - non-canonical compositions. And I also have non-biblical sources which reference New Testament individuals, etc.

In your hands you have nothing but denial.

The preponderance of the evidence favors my beliefs, not yours.
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How do you know they're independent? You don't think it's strange that Jesus' language was Aramaic but the books were written in Greek? That doesn't strike you as odd? We've discussed this before, just because the person is referenced, that doesn't support the claim of them being supernatural. Try again. Take, for example, a parable of Mike. Mike is a rancher in Wyoming. Mike says he has been abducted by aliens. People write Mike's story down. Sure, we may not dispute Mike lives in Wyoming, that doesn't really matter. But was Mike abducted by aliens? I say no, you would (in this analogy) be saying yes.

For instance, the Gospel of John is still heavily disputed and doesn't seem to be the disciple of Jesus. Have you ever read Frank Cross' 'The Gospel of John?'

Grant said:
These debates are frequent and can go on forever but ultimately it comes down to whether a person has been touched by Jesus, or God, or has not. Those who have never been touched will never get it.
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Tim the plumber said:
Does that work the same for those who have been touched by any other god?
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Or a priest. :lol:
 
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zgoldsmith23 said:
There is literally so much wrong up here, I am almost overwhelmed on where to begin. I don't care that it's a magnificent work. Have you ever read The Shining? It's magnificent too. Could he have lost his mental faculties? Sure. Could it also be someone entirely different? Sure. And God's inspiration? Of which there is evidence...? Kesey wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest on acid. Would you call that inspiration?
How do you know they're independent?
You don't think it's strange that Jesus' language was Aramaic but the books were written in Greek? That doesn't strike you as odd? We've discussed this before, just because the person is referenced, that doesn't support the claim of them being supernatural. Try again. Take, for example, a parable of Mike. Mike is a rancher in Wyoming. Mike says he has been abducted by aliens. People write Mike's story down. Sure, we may not dispute Mike lives in Wyoming, that doesn't really matter. But was Mike abducted by aliens? I say no, you would (in this analogy) be saying yes.

For instance, the Gospel of John is still heavily disputed and doesn't seem to be the disciple of Jesus. Have you ever read Frank Cross' 'The Gospel of John?'

Or a priest. :lol:
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They're independent because they were written by different people at different times in the 1st century and at different places.

As for trying to discredit the authorship of the Gospel of John, so far you've got nothing but conjecture. Opposed to you is the following external and internal evidences for the Apostle John as author of his Gospel.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Gospel of Saint John

The preponderance of the evidence is against you. In a court of law the weight of the evidence would tilt strongly in my favor.
 
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j-mac said:
What if this ends up proving he did?
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Then that blows Christianity completely out of the water because Christian tradition says Jesus rose from the dead and never had a family.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
There is no attack on Christianity, especially in the West. To say so is delusional.
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The only "attack" is on Christian superiority and control, which Christianity doesn't deserve in the first place. Modern Christianity is programmed to scream discrimination the second anyone looks at them funny.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
There is no attack on Christianity, especially in the West. To say so is delusional.
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Christians are being sued left and right in schools, businesses, just because if their beliefs. I mean just look at the news. American Atheists and the FFRF alone spends tons of money each year for the sole purpose of threatening to sue or actually sing people of faith. And Hollywood morality will never except Christian morality and the bias can be seen everywhere.
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Cephus said:
The only "attack" is on Christian superiority and control, which Christianity doesn't deserve in the first place. Modern Christianity is programmed to scream discrimination the second anyone looks at them funny.
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Often the 'funny looks' given by those discriminating against Christians are covered by masks. https://www.google.ca/search?q=isis...yHdPsoASLhICQCw&ved=0CB0QsAQ&biw=1600&bih=742
 
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JFish123 said:
Christians are being sued left and right in schools, businesses, just because if their beliefs. I mean just look at the news. American Atheists and the FFRF alone spends tons of money each year for the sole purpose of threatening to sue or actually sing people of faith. And Hollywood morality will never except Christian morality and the bias can be seen everywhere.
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While worrying themselves about Christians these same people also concern themselves with "Islamophobia". They'll be wanting to replace Christianity with something else but have no idea what that coming ideology might be.
 
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JFish123 said:
Christians are being sued left and right in schools, businesses, just because if their beliefs. I mean just look at the news. American Atheists and the FFRF alone spends tons of money each year for the sole purpose of threatening to sue or actually sing people of faith. And Hollywood morality will never except Christian morality and the bias can be seen everywhere.
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Only because Christians are being asshats. If they'd stop trying to push their idiotic beliefs on everyone else and just be good partners in society, nobody would bother them.
 
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JFish123 said:
Christians are being sued left and right in schools, businesses, just because if their beliefs. I mean just look at the news. American Atheists and the FFRF alone spends tons of money each year for the sole purpose of threatening to sue or actually sing people of faith. And Hollywood morality will never except Christian morality and the bias can be seen everywhere.
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Replace "no" with "A" and you'd be closer to the truth. Challenging bigotry under the false flag of religious belief isn't attacking Christianity. Christianists, perhaps.
Christianists like the dolt who scrawled "No Sharia" on the wall of a Sikh temple last week.
 
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j-mac said:
Wow! Stunning....If this is reviewed, and verified, what, and how do you see this effecting Christianity? Especially considering the open attack it is under today?
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I'm confused, is this suggesting that the bible regarding Jesus and Bill Clinton both lied exactly the same?
That they... "did not have sex with that woman."
How would there be a family burial of a son if Jesus never had sex with Mary Magdalen?

And then to top it off, if Jesus had sex with Mary, but apparently (according to the bible) never married Mary, wouldn't that be another problem for the whole purity of soul regarding Jesus. And lastly, she then named her son just one letter different than Jesus' betrayer?

Something doesn't pass the smell test here.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Replace "no" with "A" and you'd be closer to the truth. Challenging bigotry under the false flag of religious belief isn't attacking Christianity. Christianists, perhaps.
Christianists like the dolt who scrawled "No Sharia" on the wall of a Sikh temple last week.
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Vandalism is wrong and he shouldn't gave do t that to a temple as it would only breed hate. But Sharia law, I don't think any person wants to live in.
 
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cpwill said:
1. This may surprise you, but in English, the addition of an "s" to the end of a word generally implies "plural".

So, for example, "Hundreds" means "several sets of hundred". 120, not so much.

2. So yes, switching from "decades" to "hundreds of years" is indeed switching between two things that are radically different, especially when we are dealing with questions of primary sources.



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Because I know a little about what I am talking about, and you do not. Which is why you are now trying to cover up your original "hundreds" claim.

:shrug: if you want to abandon the "hundreds" position and shift to 150, we can talk to that just fine.
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Nope.

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hundreds plural
a : the numbers 100 to 999


Hundreds - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Sorry, I can't debate a person on a topic that is complicated when such a simple and incorrect mistake is still on the floor. Tends to be a waste of time...
 
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JFish123 said:
Christians are being sued left and right in schools, businesses, just because if their beliefs. I mean just look at the news. American Atheists and the FFRF alone spends tons of money each year for the sole purpose of threatening to sue or actually sing people of faith. And Hollywood morality will never except Christian morality and the bias can be seen everywhere.
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Wrong. Christians that are being sued are trying to impose their beliefs on others or discriminating others both of which are against the law and THAT is why they are being sued.

Stop trying to impose Christian beliefs on others in a secular society... :roll:
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Wrong. Christians that are being sued are trying to impose their beliefs on others or discriminating others both of which are against the law and THAT is why they are being sued.

Stop trying to impose Christian beliefs on others in a secular society... :roll:
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And secularists aren't trying to impose there wills on others by force?
Football players at Arkansas State University were ordered to either remove a Christian cross decal from their helmets or modify it into a mathematical sign after a Jonesboro attorney complained that the image violated the U.S. Constitution.
The cross decal was meant to memorialize former player Markel Owens and former equipment manager Barry Weyer, said athletic director Terry Mohajir. Weyer was killed in a June car crash. Owens was gunned down in Tennessee in January.
“The players knew they were both Christians so they decided to use the cross along with their initials,” he said. “They wanted to carry the spirits of Markel and Barry Don onto the field for one more season.”
“The crosses appeared to confer State’s endorsement of religion, specifically Christianity,” the Freedom from Religion Foundation wrote. “The inclusion of the Latin cross on the helmets also excludes the 19 percent of the American population that is non-religious.”
FFRF co-presidents Annie Lauire Gaylor and Dan Barker went so far as to suggest alternative ways for the football players to mourn.

Yeah that's real "progressive" not having a heart.
 
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JFish123 said:
And secularists aren't trying to impose there wills on others by force?
Football players at Arkansas State University were ordered to either remove a Christian cross decal from their helmets or modify it into a mathematical sign after a Jonesboro attorney complained that the image violated the U.S. Constitution.
The cross decal was meant to memorialize former player Markel Owens and former equipment manager Barry Weyer, said athletic director Terry Mohajir. Weyer was killed in a June car crash. Owens was gunned down in Tennessee in January.
“The players knew they were both Christians so they decided to use the cross along with their initials,” he said. “They wanted to carry the spirits of Markel and Barry Don onto the field for one more season.”
“The crosses appeared to confer State’s endorsement of religion, specifically Christianity,” the Freedom from Religion Foundation wrote. “The inclusion of the Latin cross on the helmets also excludes the 19 percent of the American population that is non-religious.”
FFRF co-presidents Annie Lauire Gaylor and Dan Barker went so far as to suggest alternative ways for the football players to mourn.

Yeah that's real "progressive" not having a heart.
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No... they are not trying to impose their wills on others. Your example is also poor. It is a State school. STATE.

Progressives want everybody to enjoy their specific spiritual values but just to do so privately or in public places.

Christians want their religion but not others to be taught in school and to appear in State run institutions...

I think allowing the crosses should have been allowed and that it would not have been a big deal personally... but would Christians be OK with Muslims putting their symbols on the helmets or a saying from the Qu'ran in a federal court house?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
No... they are not trying to impose their wills on others. Your example is also poor. It is a State school. STATE.

Progressives want everybody to enjoy their specific spiritual values but just to do so privately or in public places.

Christians want their religion but not others to be taught in school and to appear in State run institutions...

I think allowing the crosses should have been allowed and that it would not have been a big deal personally... but would Christians be OK with Muslims putting their symbols on the helmets or a saying from the Qu'ran in a federal court house?
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To honor dead students they should. And to the second part, this country was founded on Judeo Christian values. But If someone wants to do a Hindu prayer in a court house go ahead. I may not agree with to whom your praying too, so I'm not going to pray with you. No harm no fowl.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I think allowing the crosses should have been allowed and that it would not have been a big deal personally... but would Christians be OK with Muslims putting their symbols on the helmets or a saying from the Qu'ran in a federal court house?
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Would you be okay with Muslims putting their symbols and sayings in a federal courthouse?
 
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Who gives a sh!t where some carpenters son was buried about 2000 years ago?


Religion...humanity's dumbest invention.
 
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Fenton said:
So Peter directly passing down his eyewitness accounts to Mark wouldn't qualify as a eyewitness account ?

As an example I could give eyewitness accounts of things my Grandfather did 30 years ago to my son.

Does that make those accounts false ?
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Hersey.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

It's not on this earth, so I was taught in Sunday School. He left this for something far better, but look at what he had to go through to attain it! How many "Gods" that were worshipped in ancient Rome or Egypt or anywhere else proved their love by dying for their worshipers? None immediately come to mind.
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hence why Christianity is different and not the same of all other religions.
 
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DA60 said:
Who gives a sh!t where some carpenters son was buried about 2000 years ago?

Religion...humanity's dumbest invention.
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Most people have strange beliefs and they don't all concern religion.
 
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ludin said:
hence why Christianity is different and not the same of all other religions.
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Jesus was indeed a revolutionary. He gave the world the idea that the poor, like the rich, have a soul; that God treats everyone with equal grace and compassion.

That idea, on which modern democracies are based, is still reverberating around the world today. Many living in the democracies don't understand why they are free people, and instead suppose that it is the sensible and natural order of things. However the tendency among humans is often in another direction. Instead of a benevolent God they often choose government as their masters, or twisted ideologies where the rituals of religion become more important than the individual and the idea of a human soul is not seriously considered.
 
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j-mac said:
Wow! Stunning....If this is reviewed, and verified, what, and how do you see this effecting Christianity? Especially considering the open attack it is under today?
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I'm not sure about its effect on Christianity but I'm sure that tourism in that area will sky rocket. :lamo
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Nope.

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hundreds plural
a : the numbers 100 to 999


Hundreds - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Sorry, I can't debate a person on a topic that is complicated when such a simple and incorrect mistake is still on the floor. Tends to be a waste of time...
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Ironic you would say that, when, according to your link:

hundred

noun hun·dred \ˈhən-drəd, -dərd\

: the number 100

hundreds : an amount that is more than 200
—used to refer to a specified century
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But whatever. You were attempting to use time to discredit the authorship of the NT, and turned out to be wrong.
 
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