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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

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Nope... decades or hundreds of years...

:lol: "decades or centuries". Because that's the same thing :)

All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than around AD 150

Indeed, that would be impossible, not least because we had early canon formation prior to that, and the oldest surviving piece of the New Testament is a portion of John (the last of the gospels to be written), and it is from about 123 AD.
 
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:lol: "decades or centuries". Because that's the same thing :)

They were written by various people over that time frame... never knew you were so dishonest.

it is from about 123 AD.

No later than 150 AD... seems like that fits perfectly. I won't deal with another poster tha I used to respect that starts lying... at least not tonight.
 
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Christianity isn't under attack. 80% of the US is Christian, 11% Unaffiliated, 4% Jewish/Hindu/Unitarian/Budhist, 4% atheist and 0.6% Muslim.

It's not? I disagree. I think there is plenty out there in stories of instances showing such, you have google, and I am sure you can find them...The only reason for you to deny such is because you side with those attacking Christianity...My question to you is why do you hate Christians so that you feel you have to spew such hate at them...? If you left them alone, I am sure they would leave you alone....
 
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But Christians have done it without the promise of 72 virgins.

No just promise of an eternity in paradise where walls are made of jasper and cities and roads of pure gold.
 
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Sorry I'm a scientist. I don't accept things at face value.

Sure you're a " Scientist ". Stil waiting for you to offer up any evidence whatsoever that dispoves what I said earlier.

If there was no Cosmological event recorded by the Chinese right around Jesus's birth then please offer up more than your opinion to prove it.
 
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It must have been half ass as the muslims and jews don't accept him as the son of God. Do you think God does things half ass?

" Half ass " ? Lol !
 
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No just promise of an eternity in paradise where walls are made of jasper and cities and roads of pure gold.

None of that matters at all. It's not about what happens after life here ends - it's about what you do with your life here. The rest is left to the Authority. Either you trust God or you don't. If you don't, then don't worry about what may happen after you die, and live your life as you see fit.
 
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No just promise of an eternity in paradise where walls are made of jasper and cities and roads of pure gold.
Please demonstrate where martyrs, in particular, were promised that.
 
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You're right about one thing - the Gospel writers and Paul, etc., did have an agenda - to tell the truth. If you can document a lie they presented then hop out here and document it. Otherwise I can't give you any credibility on your claim.

You say you believe in Christ. Let me guess: To you he's just a man, but not divine. To you he lived and died, but was not physically resurrected. etc., etc. Right?

No you're wrong I do believe in the resurrection, and as I said I believe he is the son of God too. I just don't buy everything in the bible as literal.
 
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Wrong again. B.A. and Th.m. in Biblical Theology. Where's your credentials on the subject?

Well that explains a lot.

My credentials are irrelevant.
 
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Please demonstrate where martyrs, in particular, were promised that.

That is how heaven is described in scripture. Do you not remember the story of Elijah being taken to heaven?

Moreover, martyrs in scripture are said to reign with Christ for a 1000 years:

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4
 
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Nope... decades or hundreds of years...

All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than around AD 150

See the standard New Testament introductions listed below under "Further reading": Goodspeed, Kümmel, Duling and Perrin, Koester, Conzelmann and Lindemann, Brown, and Ehrman.

Additionally, when the Church canonised the bible, contradictory and embarrassing writings were not incorporated.
 
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That is how heaven is described in scripture. Do you not remember the story of Elijah being taken to heaven?

Moreover, martyrs in scripture are said to reign with Christ for a 1000 years:

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4
Sorry but I don't follow the OT and feel much of it is nonsense. However, as we are discussing Christianity, Jesus only words on the subject which I could find, were "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven".
 
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What if this ends up proving he did?

Then all of us non believers will go to nonbeliever heaven. Then all the religious people will...................still be religious!!!
 
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Then all of us non believers will go to nonbeliever heaven. Then all the religious people will...................still be religious!!!
Interesting euphemism for Hell
 
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It's not? I disagree. I think there is plenty out there in stories of instances showing such, you have google, and I am sure you can find them...The only reason for you to deny such is because you side with those attacking Christianity...My question to you is why do you hate Christians so that you feel you have to spew such hate at them...? If you left them alone, I am sure they would leave you alone....

That's a pretty good argument against itself.

Sure, you can find a ton of stories where Christians claim to be persecuted in America. That doesn't mean that Christians actually are persecuted. A lot of this is due to the emphasis on martyrdom and persecution against Christianity in the early church. Hence it's a fundamental assumption inside many types of Christianity, particularly among Evangelicals. But, the form that "persecution" usually takes is a Christian sharing their beliefs (usually unasked for) and the recipient going.. wow, that's weird...as politely as possible.

My point was that Christians outnumber every other religious group by more than 20:1. Hence it's pretty difficult to imagine that they're being "persecuted". One would have to wonder who would be left to be doing the actual persecution. Other Christians?

Yet your response is very telling. You accuse me of hating Christians and spewing hate at them? Really????? Saying that Christians aren't being persecuted in the US is hate speech? THIS is the real truth. Far too many Christians view disagreement with any of their beliefs as persecution.

FYI.. a follower of Christ would probably apologize for your previous post.
 
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My point was that Christians outnumber every other religious group by more than 20:1. Hence it's pretty difficult to imagine that they're being "persecuted". One would have to wonder who would be left to be doing the actual persecution. Other Christians?
I'm not surprised at your ignorance when the President of the United States doesn't mention that those killed recently in Kenya, and that's just a part of what's going on in the world, were Christians and those selectively murdering them were Muslims.

Black Lives Matter is the slogan but not, apparently, if they are Christian.

Obama Doesn't Identify 147 Victims in Kenya Massacre as 'Christians' or Jihadi Group as 'Islamic'

"We Need Your Head": Muslim Persecution of Christians, July 2014
 
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Additionally, when the Church canonised the bible, contradictory and embarrassing writings were not incorporated.
In fact they were.
 
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I'm not surprised at your ignorance when the President of the United States doesn't mention that those killed recently in Kenya, and that's just a part of what's going on in the world, were Christians and those selectively murdering them were Muslims.

Black Lives Matter is the slogan but not, apparently, if they are Christian.

Obama Doesn't Identify 147 Victims in Kenya Massacre as 'Christians' or Jihadi Group as 'Islamic'

"We Need Your Head": Muslim Persecution of Christians, July 2014

"Jesus' tomb found? This must be Obama's fault!"
 
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Sorry but I don't follow the OT and feel much of it is nonsense. However, as we are discussing Christianity, Jesus only words on the subject which I could find, were "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven".

Well Revelation is in the New Testament. That book of Acts venerates martyrdom as well, and its in the NT.
 
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"Jesus' tomb found? This must be Obama's fault!"
Wouldn't it be to Obama's credit? It would be the first successful act of his presidency!

But Obama would find the situation complicated for sure, just as big words can be so complicating.

"Well, I think that it's important to recognize that Iran's a complicated country just like we're a complicated country".

The guy's a gold mine!
 
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Well Revelation is in the New Testament. That book of Acts venerates martyrdom as well, and its in the NT.
Again, there is probably a lot of wisdom in Revelations, the Psalms, and elsewhere but I tend to read the teachings of Jesus when I do read the Bible at all.

If you feel that martyrdom is an important feature of the Bible then so be it.
 
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Yes, I did address it.

Seemingly trying to discredit a theologian is not addressing the point made.

Tradition holds that the apostle John lived to be a very old man.

Hell, very old in these times was anything much above 29 years old, it seems.

In addition...

The opinion of scores of scholars verify the earlier dates for the Gospels, and who wrote them.

A Chronological Order of The New Testament Books

I would hardly say scores of scholars. But okay. I'll play along. Yes, the earliest date of the four main gospels is 61 A.D. -- 28 years after the supposed death and resurrection of Jesus.

One other thing - did you casually dismiss the earliest mention of the resurrection?

Earliest Mention of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ « The Righter Report

Did I? Meh. So, again, I'll play along. Even if it was ONLY 10 years after -- it's still 10 years after. Things get lost in translation in a matter of minutes. And for a supernatural event? I'm going to need more than hearsay.

Impressive.

Thank you (I think?).
 
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Additionally, when the Church canonised the bible, contradictory and embarrassing writings were not incorporated.
Think of what we have now as the Bible as the books that were peer reviewed
 
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I would hardly say scores of scholars. But okay. I'll play along. Yes, the earliest date of the four main gospels is 61 A.D. -- 28 years after the supposed death and resurrection of Jesus.


Did I? Meh. So, again, I'll play along. Even if it was ONLY 10 years after -- it's still 10 years after. Things get lost in translation in a matter of minutes. And for a supernatural event? I'm going to need more than hearsay.

Thank you (I think?).

Of course all that assumes they never previously reduced to writing (in their own records) that which transpired, or they all developed amnesia, or whatever.

They also had a helper - the Holy Spirit.

"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26

And now would be the time for skeptics to trot out their anti-supernatural bias!
 
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