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The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has virtually unequivocal evidence[W:577]

Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Sorry I'm a scientist. I don't accept things at face value.

Then as a scientist you should know science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of God.

"A man's gotta know his limitations." - Clint Eastwood
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

You were indoctrinated well.

Nonsense. So far your arguments have been weak and futile.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

You're full of nonsensical arguments, Enigma.

FYI the New Testament in the 1st century wasn't one book. Instead there were over two dozen individual manuscripts floating around different localities during the decades leading up to the end of the first century.

And that, Enigma, is independent verification - something you apparently don't want to admit to but should incorporate into your future arguments.

So by that reasoning, does the Sunna verify the authenticity of the Quran?
 
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So by that reasoning, does the Sunna verify the authenticity of the Quran?

When they get fulfilled Messianic prophecy at a rate far greater than chance (which is the signature of God), then they might have something there.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Nonsense. So far your arguments have been weak and futile.

No, not really.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Wow! Stunning....If this is reviewed, and verified, what, and how do you see this effecting Christianity? Especially considering the open attack it is under today?

It means nothing to those who know the story doesn't add up. Take Mary Magdalene. Though she isn't mentioned in the Scripture after being the first to see Christ resurrected, other church letters places her in Ephesus with the mother of Jesus. John was chosen to take care of Mary mother of Jesus. We also know that is where the Apostle John set up his ministry. It is where he train Polycarp who became the Bishop of Smyrna. The official Church version is that Mary Magdalene was buried in Ephesus and that in 899 the Emperor Leo VI had her relics transferred to a monastery in Constantinople. There's another version floating around that she was buried in France. The Disciples had been given a commission by Christ to go forth and preach the Good News. And they did a mighty fine job.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Even if this was proven, people still won't believe it.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Even if this was proven, people still won't believe it.

but if they found evidence to disprove his existence you would buy it whole hog. right?
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

but if they found evidence to disprove his existence you would buy it whole hog. right?
I believe what I want to believe .... evidence or not.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

That is how most new religions start. Being a martyr for your faith is certainly not unique to Christianity.
But Christians have done it without the promise of 72 virgins.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Perhaps he did and it was kept from us when the gospel was cherry picked as some scholars say. It would make sense to have Jesus completely experience the human condition first hand. Afterall there is a void of information from childhood up until the age of 30.

A life in our footsteps sure beats virgin unmarried priests giving marriage counseling.
Perhaps not
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

You're full of nonsensical arguments, Enigma.

FYI the New Testament in the 1st century wasn't one book. Instead there were over two dozen individual manuscripts floating around different localities during the decades leading up to the end of the first century.

And that, Enigma, is independent verification - something you apparently don't want to admit to but should incorporate into your future arguments.

Your arguments don't even come close to independent verification.

I'm glad for you that you believe what you believe via faith and it makes you happy. But your links don't mean squat as empirical evidence based on verifiable history to me. Just a bunch of religious dogma. But hey be happy! Ignorance and blind allegiance is bliss!
 
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But Christians have done it without the promise of 72 virgins.

No just fire and brimstone if they don't make the grade.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Your arguments don't even come close to independent verification.

Au contraire... It's your casual dismissal of over two dozen independent, 1st century works that doesn't pass muster. You'll have to come up with something a lot more substantive than that.

I'm glad for you that you believe what you believe via faith and it makes you happy. But your links don't mean squat as empirical evidence based on verifiable history to me. Just a bunch of religious dogma. But hey be happy! Ignorance and blind allegiance is bliss!

Ignorance and blind allegiance my a*s. I've studied Biblical theology for over four decades and you come along with your sophomoric, two-sentence arguments and think you've made a name for yourself. That type of approach is arrogant, condescending, and smacks of an elitist mentality.

Recommend you actually do your proper due-diligence next time if you're going to try to run with the big dogs.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Au contraire... It's your casual dismissal of over two dozen independent, 1st century works that doesn't pass muster. You'll have to come up with something a lot more substantive than that.



Ignorance and blind allegiance my a*s. I've studied Biblical theology for over four decades and you come along with your sophomoric, two-sentence arguments and think you've made a name for yourself. That type of approach is arrogant, condescending, and smacks of an elitist mentality.

Recommend you actually do your proper due-diligence next time if you're going to try to run with the big dogs.

Where did you did you study bible theology and what are you your academic quantifiable reference points where the hypothesis has evidence?
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

.....that's your response. They had secret future-predicting powers and knew that if they were beaten and killed, magically instead of dying out like a dozen other movements, theirs would somehow remember and revere their name?

yeah. that's even less plausible.


The authors of the NT believed what they were writing. They depicted themselves (painfully) honestly, they made it easily falsifiable, and they suffered for it.

OK then...
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Oh. Well then no, you are incorrect.

Nope... decades or hundreds of years...

All of the works which would eventually be incorporated into the New Testament would seem to have been written no later than around AD 150

See the standard New Testament introductions listed below under "Further reading": Goodspeed, Kümmel, Duling and Perrin, Koester, Conzelmann and Lindemann, Brown, and Ehrman.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Where did you did you study bible theology and what are you your academic quantifiable reference points where the hypothesis has evidence?

What do you care? You'll just attempt to dismiss or disparage whatever is presented. That's what you've been doing for ages in these threads.
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Au contraire... It's your casual dismissal of over two dozen independent, 1st century works that doesn't pass muster. You'll have to come up with something a lot more substantive than that.



Ignorance and blind allegiance my a*s. I've studied Biblical theology for over four decades and you come along with your sophomoric, two-sentence arguments and think you've made a name for yourself. That type of approach is arrogant, condescending, and smacks of an elitist mentality.

Recommend you actually do your proper due-diligence next time if you're going to try to run with the big dogs.


Please, now I feel sorry for you. Naive is an understatement for your alleged proof.

Me elitist? No. Realistic yes. I think we know who is being elitist with the "big dogs" comment.

And for your information I do believe in Christ, but I also realize the bible is a text written and translated by faliable men with an agenda, and some of it was cheery picked or even excluded. I just don't swallow it all hook line and sinker. But carry on.
 
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What do you care? You'll just attempt to dismiss or disparage whatever is presented. That's what you've been doing for ages in these threads.

So you have no credentials. Got it.
 
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So you have no credentials. Got it.

Wrong again. B.A. and Th.m. in Biblical Theology. Where's your credentials on the subject?
 
Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

Please, now I feel sorry for you. Naive is an understatement for your alleged proof.

Me elitist? No. Realistic yes. I think we know who is being elitist with the "big dogs" comment.

And for your information I do believe in Christ, but I also realize the bible is a text written and translated by faliable men with an agenda, and some of it was cheery picked or even excluded. I just don't swallow it all hook line and sinker. But carry on.

You're right about one thing - the Gospel writers and Paul, etc., did have an agenda - to tell the truth. If you can document a lie they presented then hop out here and document it. Otherwise I can't give you any credibility on your claim.

You say you believe in Christ. Let me guess: To you he's just a man, but not divine. To you he lived and died, but was not physically resurrected. etc., etc. Right?
 
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