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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Aethism is still a belief in the unknown.
    A faith that God doesn't exist based on opinion and not proof.
    Wrong. Show me proof of the existence of a god and I will believe that a god exists.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Prove there is no God.
    Prove that Krishna does not exist and then I will use the same method to prove that Jehovah does not exist.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ...and that lead to the Hundreds Years Wars, the Crusades, The Inquisition, Forced Conversion of tens of millions, the Spanish Armada, acceptance of slavery, the Lord's Resistance Army, all those fun years of the Balkan Wars, abortion bombing, the IRA, etc. etc. ETC. While I admit Islam has some massive ****ing problems... discounting the problems of Christianity is naive.
    You look at the founder of the religion to see the truth. Jesus taught to Love others.

    A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
    - John 13:34
    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
    -Matthew 5:43
    He taught to turn the other cheek, go the extra mile in helping others, denying yourself to be willing to sacrifice for others.
    Those people who commit acts of violence are not following Jesus nor have the love of God in them. Therefor how can one blame the faith that teaches the complete opposite of such things. Instead blame the men who do them.
    And thus if we look at the founder of Islam Muhammad, we do find someone who actually unlike Jesus, endorsed such violence. So we look to the founders to see if it's the faith that's at fault, or men who claim to follower something they obviously do not.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    You look at the founder of the religion to see the truth. Jesus taught to Love others.

    A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
    - John 13:34
    “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.
    -Matthew 5:43
    He taught to turn the other cheek, go the extra mile in helping others, denying yourself to be willing to sacrifice for others.
    Those people who commit acts of violence are not following Jesus nor have the love of God in them. Therefor how can one blame the faith that teaches the complete opposite of such things. Instead blame the men who do them.
    And thus if we look at the founder of Islam Muhammad, we do find someone who actually unlike Jesus, endorsed such violence. So we look to the founders to see if it's the faith that's at fault, or men who claim to follower something they obviously do not.
    These things were written by men centuries after his death (if he ever really existed) so its all just a load of superstitious claptrap

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Wrong. Show me proof of the existence of a god and I will believe that a god exists.
    Indeed. I could claim little green men live on Pluto and just because you could'nt prove otherwise would'nt automatically mean that they do !

    Do you see how that analogy works for the 'believers' ?

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Stalin and Mao did not kill in the name of Atheism. They killed in order to maintain and solidate power. It was about politics, not Atheism. They weren't the Pope condoning a Holy War. They were just assholes.
    First, several atheists contended that you cannot really compare the crimes of Christian regimes of the past to those of atheist regimes of the twentieth century.

    The best estimates are that between 5,000 and 10,000 were killed in the Spanish Inquisition. That’s compared with 100 million who were killed in the atheist purges of the twentieth century. The 100 million is actually a low figure, since it uses very modest estimates for how many people Stalin and Mao killed, and it leaves out a host of lesser atheist tyrants such as Pol Pot and Enver Hoxha. Even so, using this conservative estimate, a quick calculation reveals that atheist regimes killed ten thousand times more people in the space of a few decades than the Spanish Inquisition managed to kill over a period of more than two centuries.

    Second, several atheist writers argued that Stalin and Mao’s crimes could not be blamed on atheism since atheism is not really a belief, it is really an absence of belief.

    As one writer put it, “Leaders such as Stalin and Mao persecuted religious groups, not in a bid to expand atheism, but as a way of focusing people’s hatred on those groups to consolidate their own power.” Of course I agree that murderous regimes, whether Christian or atheist, are generally seeking to strengthen their position.

    But if Christian regimes are held responsible for their crimes committed in the name of Christianity, then atheist regimes should be held accountable for their crimes committed in the name of atheism. And who can deny that Stalin and Mao, not to mention Pol Pot and a host of others, all committed atrocities in the name of a Communist ideology that was explicitly atheistic? Who can dispute that they did their bloody deeds by claiming to be establishing a “new man” and a religion-free utopia? These were mass murders performed with atheism as a central part of their ideological inspiration, they were not mass murders done by people who simply happened to be atheist.

    Third, many atheists angrily insisted that Hitler was not an atheist, indeed he was a lifelong Christian! (You learn something new every day.)

    The poverty of the atheist argument becomes clear with a bit of examination. What does it prove to say that Hitler was raised Catholic? Stalin was raised in the Orthodox Church. Mao was raised as a Buddhist. Lots of people repudiate their religious upbringing. Hitler vehemently rejected the traditional Christianity in which he was raised. Hitler still at times envoked religion.

    This rhetoric, it should be noted, is a commonplace rhetorical device among atheist writers. Nietzsche, for instance, regularly compared himself to Jesus, even titling one of his books Ecce Homo (“behold the man,” a biblical reference to Christ). But no intelligent reader of Nietzsche can doubt that he was a rabid atheist, as was Hitler.

    Once Hitler and the Nazis came to power, however, they denounced Christianity and launched a ruthless drive to subdue and weaken traditional Christianity.

    Since 1937 the policies of Hitler’s government became openly and increasingly anti-religious. In particular, they repudiated what they perceived as the Christian values of equality, compassion and weakness and extolled the atheist notions of the Nietzschean superman and a new society based on the “will to power.”

    Hitler’s leading advisers, such as Goebbels, Heydrich and Bormann, were atheists who were savagely hostile to religion. Several of his associates reported that the Fuhrer’s personal views were deeply anti-Christian. Again, Hitler’s hostility to religion in general, and Christianity in particular, were not incidental to the violence that characterized his regime.

    They were part of the Nazi ideology — a secular ideology that deified race over creed — and they helped to justify the horrors of extermination and holocaust. Like Stalin and Mao, Hitler illustrates the point made by both Dostoyevsky and earlier John Locke: when God is excluded, then it is not surprising when morality itself is sacrificed in the process and chaos and horror is unleashed on the world. So it has been in our time, and all the elaborate evasions produced by today’s atheists cannot change what their anti-religious kinsmen did, cannot change the grim facts of history.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Indeed. I could claim little green men live on Pluto and just because you could'nt prove otherwise would'nt automatically mean that they do !

    Do you see how that analogy works for the 'believers' ?
    The beginning of the universe, fine tuning of the laws of physics, etc...


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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ... is retarded. He is deflecting in an attempt to make religion (Chrisianity) sound better and more important to justify his faith in God (religion).
    No need to justify my beliefs I have though the same can be said of those who don't want there to be a God as they'd rather not be held accountable for there life. So they look at life and the evidence for God or Jesus or otherwise, through the filter of atheism.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    The beginning of the universe, fine tuning of the laws of physics, etc...
    My little green men analogy stands ....

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

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    My little green men analogy stands ....
    Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
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    Humanism or atheism is a wonderful philosophy of life as long as you are big, strong, and between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five. But watch out if you are in a lifeboat and there are others who are younger, bigger, or smarter.
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