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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You seem to have no idea what constitutes basic government principles not to mention the works of Hobbes, Locke or Montesquieu... Social Contract, English Bill of Rights, etc... no offense but I don't have the time or patience to teach you.
    Again government principles are made by men. So what makes there opinion on justice or good or morally evil any better or worse then another person or group? In a relative universe it doesn't. It's just relative opinions on the matter. If however there is something above us like a moral law we all share that tells us if something is absolutely wrong to do in all places at all times then there must be something that transcends us , a moral law giver, what we call God

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You responded to a post about Christianity on a thread concerning Christianity so it would seem you were discussing Christians. Would you agree that there are people 'desperate' to believe that Christ did not exist?
    Some people are objective and some are subjective. I fall into the former category when it comes to all religion.

    In my view archaic medieval belief systems that support the existence supernatural dieties of whatever hue, have no place in the modern age. They are at the very root of many of the problems we face in our world today sadly
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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Some people are objective and some are subjective. I fall into the former category when it comes to all religion.

    In my view archaic medieval belief systems that support the existence supernatural dieties of whatever hue, have no place in the modern age. They are at the very root of many of the problems we face in our world today sadly
    Depends on the religion and what it teaches. Islams founder Muhammad is more like ISIS, where Jesus teaches to Love, Go the extra mile for others, turn the other cheek etc...

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    Depends on the religion and what it teaches. Islams founder Muhammad is more like ISIS, where Jesus teaches to Love, Go the extra mile for others, turn the other cheek etc...
    They are all the same frankly. They all espouse their moral superiority over the others

    How many have killed in the name of atheism ?

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Some people are objective and some are subjective. I fall into the former category when it comes to all religion.

    In my view archaic medieval belief systems that support the existence supernatural dieties of whatever hue, have no place in the modern age. They are at the very root of many of the problems we face in our world today sadly
    Claiming you're objective doesn't make you objective.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They are all the same frankly. They all espouse their moral superiority over the others

    How many have killed in the name of atheism ?
    Do you really need a list of atheists who have committed mass killings throughout history? Including recent history? You can start with the Communists with over 100 millions deaths, plus the ruination of many more lives.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you really need a list of atheists who have committed mass killings throughout history?
    Unlike with religion though just because they were atheists does not mean they killed in the name of atheism

    Including recent history? You can start with the Communists with over 100 millions deaths, plus the ruination of many more lives.
    But they too did not kill in the name of atheism they killed in order to impose a political system by the use of fear

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you really need a list of atheists who have committed mass killings throughout history? Including recent history? You can start with the Communists with over 100 millions deaths, plus the ruination of many more lives.
    Claiming you're moral doesn't make you moral.

    Also, the fair comparison is how many atheists have killed in the name of atheism? Compare that number to how many people have killed in the name of religion.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    They are all the same frankly. They all espouse their moral superiority over the others

    How many have killed in the name of atheism ?
    It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.
    Richard Dawkins has attempted to engage in historical revisionism concerning atheist atrocities and Dawkins was shown to be in gross error.
    Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people". Marx also stated: "Communism begins from the outset with atheism; but atheism is at first far from being communism; indeed, that atheism is still mostly an abstraction."
    Vladimir Lenin similarly wrote regarding atheism and communism: "A Marxist must be a materialist, i. e., an enemy of religion, but a dialectical materialist, i. e., one who treats the struggle against religion..."
    Although Communism is one of the most well-known cases of atheism's ties to mass murder, the French Revolution and subsequent Reign of Terror, inspired by the works of Diderot, Voltaire, Sade, and Rousseau, managed to commit similar persecutions and exterminations of religious people and promote secularism and militant atheism. Official numbers indicate that 300,000 Frenchmen died during Robespierre's Reign of Terror, 297,000 of which were of middle-class or low-class. Of the amount murdered via the guillotine, only 8% had been of the aristocratic class, with over 30% being from the peasant class.
    So here's a start of all the people killed by atheistic regimes. And There are a plethora of places where you can verify these numbers, if you are so-minded.
    Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered
    Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered
    Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered
    Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered
    Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered
    Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered
    Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered
    Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered
    Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered
    So to say atheism breeds good things or will be like Star Trek in the future under atheism fails to learn from history.
    So whenever someone says asks
    How many people were killed by atheism...

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by JFish123 View Post
    It is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 to 259,432,000 human lives.
    Already addressed in post #397

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