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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Well Revelation is in the New Testament. That book of Acts venerates martyrdom as well, and its in the NT.
    Again, there is probably a lot of wisdom in Revelations, the Psalms, and elsewhere but I tend to read the teachings of Jesus when I do read the Bible at all.

    If you feel that martyrdom is an important feature of the Bible then so be it.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Yes, I did address it.
    Seemingly trying to discredit a theologian is not addressing the point made.

    Tradition holds that the apostle John lived to be a very old man.
    Hell, very old in these times was anything much above 29 years old, it seems.

    In addition...

    The opinion of scores of scholars verify the earlier dates for the Gospels, and who wrote them.

    A Chronological Order of The New Testament Books
    I would hardly say scores of scholars. But okay. I'll play along. Yes, the earliest date of the four main gospels is 61 A.D. -- 28 years after the supposed death and resurrection of Jesus.

    One other thing - did you casually dismiss the earliest mention of the resurrection?

    Earliest Mention of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ « The Righter Report
    Did I? Meh. So, again, I'll play along. Even if it was ONLY 10 years after -- it's still 10 years after. Things get lost in translation in a matter of minutes. And for a supernatural event? I'm going to need more than hearsay.

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Additionally, when the Church canonised the bible, contradictory and embarrassing writings were not incorporated.
    Think of what we have now as the Bible as the books that were peer reviewed

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post

    I would hardly say scores of scholars. But okay. I'll play along. Yes, the earliest date of the four main gospels is 61 A.D. -- 28 years after the supposed death and resurrection of Jesus.


    Did I? Meh. So, again, I'll play along. Even if it was ONLY 10 years after -- it's still 10 years after. Things get lost in translation in a matter of minutes. And for a supernatural event? I'm going to need more than hearsay.

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    Of course all that assumes they never previously reduced to writing (in their own records) that which transpired, or they all developed amnesia, or whatever.

    They also had a helper - the Holy Spirit.

    "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26

    And now would be the time for skeptics to trot out their anti-supernatural bias!
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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Think of what we have now as the Bible as the books that were peer reviewed
    Oh indubitably, for very obvious reasons. If you've ever read any of the similar writings at the time that were rejected for canonisation, many laughs.
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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Of course all that assumes they never previously reduced to writing (in their own records) that which transpired, or they all developed amnesia, or whatever.

    They also had a helper - the Holy Spirit.

    "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26

    And now would be the time for skeptics to trot out their anti-supernatural bias!
    They very well could have done those things. But is there evidence that those writings not only existed, but the authors of the gospels individually had access to them. That also opens the can of worms of -- well if they did this, why the hell don't the gospels match?

    Evidence for this 'holy spirit?' Call it whatever you'd like, it does not change the fact that claims have been asserted and, so far, have lived up to neither the scientific nor the historical burden of proof. I get the Bible may be 'fact' enough for you -- that does not make it so for anyone else. That's why it's called faith.
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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Of course all that assumes they never previously reduced to writing (in their own records) that which transpired, or they all developed amnesia, or whatever.

    They also had a helper - the Holy Spirit.

    "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." - John 14:26

    And now would be the time for skeptics to trot out their anti-supernatural bias!
    Isn't that a bit circular? We know that the Bible is true because the bible says that it was supernaturally inspired. And we know that's true because the Bible says it's true and the Bible was supernaturally inspired. . And we know that's true because the Bible says it's true and the Bible was supernaturally inspired. etc...

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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    They very well could have done those things. But is there evidence that those writings not only existed, but the authors of the gospels individually had access to them.
    There's no archaeological or early manuscript evidence for that. But it's called the 'Q' theory, which had some initial support by liberal theologians, but which has now been largely refuted.

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    That also opens the can of worms of -- well if they did this, why the hell don't the gospels match?
    If they did all match exactly the argument would be they all copied from one or more sources. But there is a certain 'Harmony' of the Gospels. Here's a link on the Harmony of the Resurrection Accounts.

    Greenleaf’s Harmony of the Resurrection Accounts

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Evidence for this 'holy spirit?' Call it whatever you'd like, it does not change the fact that claims have been asserted and, so far, have lived up to neither the scientific nor the historical burden of proof. I get the Bible may be 'fact' enough for you -- that does not make it so for anyone else. That's why it's called faith.
    Nope. When you get Jesus you'll probably get a good dose of the Holy Spirit too. He's very real indeed.
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    Re: The lost tomb of Jesus? Scientist claims he has 'virtually unequivocal evidence'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Isn't that a bit circular? We know that the Bible is true because the bible says that it was supernaturally inspired. And we know that's true because the Bible says it's true and the Bible was supernaturally inspired. . And we know that's true because the Bible says it's true and the Bible was supernaturally inspired. etc...
    That's what novices who have little in-depth knowledge of the Bible often claim. But believe it if you want.
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